Hokkien in a dot
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
I also don't use "crab's grandma" as it will come across as pretentious in Singapore
However you will encounter those "crab's grandma" so often when speaking to those from outside our territory (Singapore + Malaysia + Brunei + Indonesia)
chiangchew slang.
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Originally posted by SJS6638:
I thot "crab's grandma" is created by taiwanese.
it just happened that "crab's grandma" grew from a local saying from a small district of Taiwan and it became popularized after repeated use
nobody purposely created something special out of nothing, those special sayings which differed from ours bloomed from unknown seeds out there (referring to small districts or countys)
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Originally posted by Clivebenss:
chiangchew slang.
Ya most probably
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
Ya most probably
either that or chiao ann origin, I do hear sometimes in Penang Hokkien.
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
it just happened that "crab's grandma" grew from a local saying from a small district of Taiwan and it became popularized after repeated use
nobody purposely created something special out of nothing, those special sayings which differed from ours bloomed from unknown seeds out there (referring to small districts or countys)
Thanks.
I am right to say from taiwan. Sorry, I find them luan luan lai.
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Originally posted by Clivebenss:
either that or chiao ann origin, I do hear sometimes in Penang Hokkien.
Penang Hokkien I heard got lots of time sayings:
( Hah''' Ku\ ) refer to a time in a past.
and many others
I don't think my variety has ( Hah''' Ku\ )
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Originally posted by SJS6638:
Thanks.
I am right to say from taiwan. Sorry, I find them luan luan lai.
hahaha
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
Penang Hokkien I heard got lots of time sayings:
( Hah''' Ku\ ) refer to a time in a past.
and many others
I don't think my variety has ( Hah''' Ku\ )
don't think in Amoy dialect too but here the hokkien invariably will mixed even with other language.
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Originally posted by Clivebenss:
don't think in Amoy dialect too but here the hokkien invariably will mixed even with other language.
I have ( Chit''' Ku\ ) = "now" but never have ( Hah''' Ku\ ) = "a time in the past"
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
hahaha
That is why to this day i still like and respect that xiamen hokkien by that lecturer.
taiwan hokkien chorlor
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Originally posted by SJS6638:
That is why to this day i still like and respect that xiamen hokkien by that lecturer.
taiwan hokkien chorlor
May I have the name of that xiamen hokkien lecturer?
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
May I have the name of that xiamen hokkien lecturer?
That was a few years ago I watched the programme. I did not take note of his name.
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Originally posted by SJS6638:
That was a few years ago I watched the programme. I did not take note of his name.
ok, it's ok, just asking if you know. then I can search more info mah. hehehe.
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
Gok, it's ok, just asking if you know. then I can search more info mah. hehehe.
Ok, next time i come across i will take note and let you know.
too bad, starhub cable don't have programme using xiamen tong an hokkien. They have taiwan hokkien channel for subscription.
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Originally posted by SJS6638:
Ok, next time i come across i will take note and let you know.
too bad, starhub cable don't have programme using xiamen tong an hokkien. They have taiwan hokkien channel for subscription.
less choices for us here :(
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
less choices for us here :(
True.
I going off. Talk to you again. Good night.
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Originally posted by SJS6638:
True.
I going off. Talk to you again. Good night.
ok good night to you all
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SJS6638,
The below maps are gotten by me to show you that the whole Geylang stretch was just next to the seaside in the 50s and before that.
1950s started the first reclamation of the whole of East Side of Singapore. Enjoy the maps.
Old Map 1:
Maps 2, 3, 4 (With "Geylang" indicated in circles) :
In 1950, Geylang just border next to the "grey reclaimed areas" before reclaimation which started from 1950 onwards
Retro-Historical Landmap: Geylang lies next to the "grey reclaim land" which is currently Mounbatten, Katong, Fort Road, Tanjong Rhu, Marine Parade, East Coast etc.
Geylang being shown next to the seaside before the reclaimation exercise "red areas"
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From what I know the area Kallang Basin was a swamp. It was not reclaimed until the late 60s. At the end of the Lor 3 Geylang was Kg Hock Soon.
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Originally posted by Clivebenss:
From what I know the area Kallang Basin was a swamp. It was not reclaimed until the late 60s. At the end of the Lor 3 Geylang was Kg Hock Soon.
Thank you Clivebenss for the information. With regards to Old Kallang I am not sure liao cos that was not the area they stayed. Also, if you have not informed me that it is an old swamp area, it will be relatively difficult for me to realise that "KELANG" = (Kallang) was an old swamp on that map.
However from the first british colonial map, anything below the "Line" itself (If you were to draw a Straight Line or put a Ruler on our Modern Maps) from "GELANG" (geylang) to "KATONG Pt." (katong) to "KURAU B." (telok kurau) to "SIGLAT" (siglap) to "BUDDOW" (bedok), is the old sea.
Also,
i) "KATONG Pt." = "Katong Point", the (point) is a giveaway that Katong was a "seapoint" in the past (place of ships meeting the land)
and
ii) "KURAU B." = "Kurau Bay", the (bay) is a giveaway that Telok Kurau was a "bayshore" in the past. Many Singaporean people also do not realise that the current estate "Telok Kurau" in Malay simply means "Kurau Bay"!!! (like "Telok Ayer" = "Water Bay", "Telok Blangah" = "Pottery Bay", all "Telok XX" areas were bayshores in the past)
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iii) both "SIGLAT" = "Siglap" and "BUDDOW" = "Bedok" were 2 kampong communities built on the old seashore.
I think almost no one realises Geylang, Katong, Telok Kurau, Siglap, Bedok are all seashore community kampong unless one had some ancestor who stayed there before.
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The Kallang Basin fire was in 1957. I remembered visiting a friend just before the fire.
Kallang Basin in 1950s with the stlit houses and ship builders.
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Also there at Kallang Basin were many sawmills. What I remembered my friend told me the fire started in one kitchen on those pu kah lau. Fire engines unable to reach those houses on the water and all were burnt down. Most people living there were workers of the sawmills, shipbuilders and rubber factories nearby. One of the early factory area.
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The first reclamation started in 1840s cutting down the hills Mt Wallich and Mt Palmer to reclaimed Telok Ayer.
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
SJS6638,
The below maps are gotten by me to show you that the whole Geylang stretch was just next to the seaside in the 50s and before that.
1950s started the first reclamation of the whole of East Side of Singapore. Enjoy the maps.
Old Map 1:
Maps 2, 3, 4 (With "Geylang" indicated in circles) :
In 1950, Geylang just border next to the "grey reclaimed areas" before reclaimation which started from 1950 onwards
Retro-Historical Landmap: Geylang lies next to the "grey reclaim land" which is currently Mounbatten, Katong, Fort Road, Tanjong Rhu, Marine Parade, East Coast etc.
Geylang being shown next to the seaside before the reclaimation exercise "red areas"
Is kelang kallang?