SG: 10.30pm Club Chapter II in a dot

• Bus&Soccer l0v3r (VO3x 1)

  16 Nov 11, 20:01

  evening

• Mr Milo

  16 Nov 11, 21:55

   

  yo

• cassie

  16 Nov 11, 21:58

  evening BS

• Mr Milo

  16 Nov 11, 22:05

   

  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

• cassie

  16 Nov 11, 22:07

  nite milo

• Mr Milo

  16 Nov 11, 22:18

   

  vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

• cassie

  16 Nov 11, 22:22

  please go to bed

• fibytprsu

  16 Nov 11, 22:25

  Originally posted by cassie:

  please go to bed

  

• cassie

  16 Nov 11, 22:28

  you got any other solutions for milo?

• Mr Milo

  16 Nov 11, 22:39

   

  i am fine

  i just need to de-stress

• BanguIzai

  16 Nov 11, 23:06

  Originally posted by fibytprsu:

  Yes, I like it pure.   As mentioned earlier in my post, it is inevitable we speak "rojak" due to multicultures aand multiracial society in SG.   Speak what is practical and comfortable and understood by people in general.    Pragmatic is the key word here.

  Embarrassment in ignorance is forgiven.        Like I never knew that kentang is Malay until I grew up.      

   

  Selamat malam kepada Pengawal Fibytprsu, Penghulu Clivebe, Putri Cassi, Pendekar Milo, Panglima Bussi sama Pengarah Hitto

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  There was never any "pure" language, in linguistic sense.

  No language in the world was ever spared from borrowings and mergers,  & yes, no languages are spared,  lest the Chinese language which has been borrowing from all sorts of languages during it's supposedly 5000 years of history.

  I also would like to speak "non-impure" language at this point of time, but when the borrowed vocab gained recognition, it become part of the vocab of the original language.

  Maybe I just want to let you know,  the Mandarin which we are speaking is already peppered with so many loanwords, that if I tell you so,  you would be shocked :

        Such common Mandarin words such as below are in fact all "borrowed" during it's 5000 years or so of history:

  • è‘¡è�„
  • 蘋果
  • 榴槤
  • ç�µç�¶
  • 枇æ�·
  • 駱é§�
  • ç�…å­�
  • 馬
  • ç«™
  • 時間
  • 政治
  • 化學
  • 研究
  • 親戚
  • 學校
  • æ–°è�ž
  • 飛機
  • and endless .............

• fibytprsu

  16 Nov 11, 23:38

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

   

  Selamat malam kepada Pengawal Fibytprsu, Penghulu Clivebe, Putri Cassi, Pendekar Milo, Panglima Bussi sama Pengarah Hitto

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  There was never any "pure" language, in linguistic sense.

  No language in the world was ever spared from borrowings and mergers,  & yes, no languages are spared,  lest the Chinese language which has been borrowing from all sorts of languages during it's supposedly 5000 years of history.

  I also would like to speak "non-impure" language at this point of time, but when the borrowed vocab gained recognition, it become part of the vocab of the original language.

  Maybe I just want to let you know,  the Mandarin which we are speaking is already peppered with so many loanwords, that if I tell you so,  you would be shocked :

        Such common Mandarin words such as below are in fact all "borrowed" during it's 5000 years or so of history:

  • è‘¡è�„
  • 蘋果
  • 榴槤
  • ç�µç�¶
  • 枇æ�·
  • 駱é§�
  • ç�…å­�
  • 馬
  • ç«™
  • 時間
  • 政治
  • 化學
  • 研究
  • 親戚
  • 學校
  • æ–°è�ž
  • 飛機
  • and endless .............

  Which language did they borrow these words from?

• BanguIzai

  16 Nov 11, 23:48

  Originally posted by fibytprsu:

  Which language did they borrow these words from?

  • è‘¡è�„ - Persian
  • 蘋果 - Unknown North Indian language of the past
  • 榴槤 - Malay
  • ç�µç�¶ - Unknown Middle Eastern language of the past
  • 枇æ�· - Unknown Middle Eastern language of the past
  • 駱é§� - Unknown Semantic / Bedouin language of the past
  • ç�…å­� - Persian
  • 馬 - Pan-Indo-European / Uralic / Altaic language of the past
  • ç«™ - Mongolian
  • 時間 - Japanese
  • 政治 - Japanese
  • 化學 - Japanese
  • 研究 - Japanese
  • 親戚 - Japanese
  • 學校 - Japanese
  • æ–°è�ž - Japanese
  • 飛機 - Japanese
  • and ...............................................endless other Japanese borrowings,  and also Buddhist terminology from Old Indian languages (Sanskrit, Pakrit, Gandharan languages) and Old Central Asian languages (eg. Tocharian, Bactrian etc.)

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  Some more other Malay words in Hokkien

  Selat â–º Sit Lat = Singapore Region
  Melayu â–º Bu Lai Yu = Malay
  Mata â–º Ma Ta = Police
  Baba â–º Ba Ba = Peranakan
  Bali â–º Ba Li = Ship Cabin
  Pasar â–º Pa Sat = Market
  Serutu â–º Tsu Lut = Cigar
  Kopi â–º Ko Pi = Coffee
  Kentang â–º Kan Tang = Potato
  Timun â–º Ti Bun = Cucumber
  Rokok â–º Lo Ko = Cigarette
  Sago â–º Sia Go = Sago
  Kari â–º Ka Li = Curry
  Gimpal â–º Kim Puat = Decoration on necklace
  Kapas â–º Ka Pua = Cotton
  Kapok â–ºKa Pok = Kapok Cotton
  Buaya â–º Buah A = Crocodile
  Belacu â–º Ba Tsu Por = Calico textile
  Capio â–º Tsiau Phio = A kind of hat
  Kalas â–º Ka Lak = Roller
  Sepit â–º Sip Pit Na = Pincer
  Tongkat â–º Tong Kat = Walking stick
  Sabun â–º Sap Bun = Soap
  Durian â–º Liu Lien = Durian
  Makan â–º Ma Kan = Eat (for scolding)
  Tolong â–º Tor Long = Plead
  Kawin â–º Kau In = Wed
  Mati â–º Ma Ti = Die (for scolding)
  Gaduh â–º Ga Lo = Argue
  Baur â–º Bau = Mix
  Suka â–º Su Kah = Like
  Patut â–º Pa Tut = Rule
  Lacur â–º Lau Tseh = Unsuccessful
  Agak â–º A Gah = Estimate
  Pakai â–º Pa Ke = Private use
  Kuasa â–º Kua Sa = Authority
  Kaya â–º Ka Yah = Rich
  Lompong â–º Long Pong = Hollow
  Jamban â–º Liam Ban = Toilet
  Kampong â–º Kam Pong = Village
  Asam â–º A Sam = A kind of sour pickles
  Babi â–º Ba Bi = Pig (for scolding)
  Bangsal â–º Bang San = Shed
  Bicara â–º Bit Tsa La = Trial
  Botak â–º Bo Tak = Bald
  Cukai â–º Tsu Ke = Tax
  Duit â–º Lui = Money
  Dukun â–º Lo Kun = Doctor
  Kacau â–º Ka Tsiau = Disturb
  Kaki â–º Kha Ki = Walkway
  Lelong â–º Le Long = Sale
  Mana â–º Ma La = Where
  Nyonya â–º Niu HiaN = Nyonya
  Roti â–º Lo Ti = Bread
  Rambutan â–º Ang Mor Tan = Rambutan
  Sali â–º Sa Li = Zinc
  Atap â–º A Tap = Roof
  Sarong â–º Sa Long = Sarong
  Sayang â–º Sa Yang = Affection
  Suku â–º Su Ku = Quarter
  Tumpang â–º Long Pang = Take ride
  Keling â–º Kiet Leng = Indian
  Gudang â–º Gu Lang = Warehouse
  Lorry â–º Lor Li = Lorry
  Karung Guni â–º Ka Lang Gu Ni = Rags N Bones
  Kepala â–º Kap Pha La = Supervisor
  Bengali â–º Bang Ka Li = Bengala
  Kuli â–º Ku Li = Worker
  Lubang â–º Lo Bang = Opportunities
  Keropok â–º Ko Lo Poh = Keropok
  Manggis â–º Mang Ngeh = Mangosteen
  Nangka â–º Bang Ka = Jackfruit
  Macam â–º Ma Tsiam = Type
  Cium â–º Tsim = Kiss
  Hukum â–º Or Kong = Fine
  Minta â–º Bin Tah = Request
  Salah â–º Sa La = Wrong
  Tahan â–º Ta Han = Maintain
  Campur â–º Tsiam Poh = Associate
  Rugi â–º Lu Gi = Loss
  Peduli â–º Phah Liu Li = Attention
  Periksa â–º Phah Li Sa = Interfere
  Kosong â–º Ko Song = Empty
  Celaka â–º Tsi La Kah = Damn
  Tanggung â–º Tan Kong = Guarantee
  Sahabat â–º So Buat = Good friend
  Malu â–º Ma Lu = Embarassed
  Balik â–º Ba Leh = Again
  Terbalik â–º Tu Ba Leh = Upside down
  Tapi â–º Tap Pi = But
  Barangkali â–º Bang Ka Li = Perhaps
  Baru â–º Ba Lu = Just

      See, if you are a native Hokkien speaker, you are already blessed with the rich Malay heritage from birth.     Don't need to pick up so much anymore.

• fibytprsu

  16 Nov 11, 23:51

  Guru Bangul, you are a genius in languages!

  Thanks for the lists.   

• BanguIzai

  17 Nov 11, 00:56

  Originally posted by fibytprsu:

  Guru Bangul, you are a genius in languages!

  Thanks for the lists.   

  There are still many,  in case I forget,  I better pen it down here fast while I remember :::  

  Hutan â–º Or Tan = Forest
  Hutang â–º Or Tang = Owe
  Undang â–º Un Nang = Regulations
  Pancit â–º Pan Tsek = Puncture
  Kemenyan â–º Kam Bun Yen = Incense
  Tilam â–º Ti Lam = Mattress
  Masak â–º Ma Sah = Toys
  Setengah Gila â–º Teng Nga Gi = Crazy
  Tiga Suku â–º SaN Su Ku = Crazy
  Langgar â–º Lang Ga = Collide
  Bomba â–º Bom Ba = Fire Brigade
  Pecah â–º Pit Tsiah = Break
  Kali (Lo/Do/Lu/Du?) â–º Ka Li Lo = Not Yet Time
  Pantang â–º Pan Tang = Superstition
  Longkang â–º Long Kau = Drain
  Senang â–º Sin Nang = Easy
  Pengsan â–º Peng San = Faint
  Panggang â–º Peng Kang = Barbeque
  Pandai â–º Pan Le = Clever
  Sombong â–º Som Bong = Proud

  Further, I suspect "Tom-Be-Ling = To Roll" is from Malay but I can't find the origin at this point of time.

• Clivebenss

  17 Nov 11, 01:34

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  There are still many,  in case I forget,  I better pen it down here fast while I remember :::  

  Hutan â–º Or Tan = Forest
  Hutang â–º Or Tang = Owe
  Undang â–º Un Nang = Regulations
  Pancit â–º Pan Tsek = Puncture
  Kemenyan â–º Kam Bun Yen = Incense
  Tilam â–º Ti Lam = Mattress
  Masak â–º Ma Sah = Toys
  Setengah Gila â–º Teng Nga Gi = Crazy
  Tiga Suku â–º SaN Su Ku = Crazy
  Langgar â–º Lang Ga = Collide
  Bomba â–º Bom Ba = Fire Brigade
  Pecah â–º Pit Tsiah = Break
  Kali (Lo/Do/Lu/Du?) â–º Ka Li Lo = Not Yet Time
  Pantang â–º Pan Tang = Superstition
  Longkang â–º Long Kau = Drain
  Senang â–º Sin Nang = Easy
  Pengsan â–º Peng San = Faint
  Panggang â–º Peng Kang = Barbeque
  Pandai â–º Pan Le = Clever
  Sombong â–º Som Bong = Proud

  Further, I suspect "Tom-Be-Ling = To Roll" is from Malay but I can't find the origin at this point of time.

  Tom Be Ling is English lah = tumbling.

  

• BanguIzai

  17 Nov 11, 06:49

  Originally posted by Clivebenss:

  Tom Be Ling is English lah = tumbling.

  

  Selamat Pagi Penghulu

  Terima Kasih for the enlightenment that I never think of.  I had been thinking in the Malay line-of-thought because the "-ling" type of words means "to roll / to turn / to go round" in Malay (eg. guling, paling, keliling)

  Some more Malay loanwords in Hokkien:

  Bau â–º Ba U = Smell
  Ulu â–º U Lu = Remote
  Laku â–º Lak Ku = Great demands
  Duku â–º Lu Ku = A kind of fruit
  Sumpah â–º Som Pa = Swear
  Pakat â–º Pa Kat = Collude

• Clivebenss

  17 Nov 11, 06:55

  gd morning guru.

• Clivebenss

  17 Nov 11, 06:58

  There are some terms that are borrow from English although not as much as Malay.

  go stan = Go Stern

  go hed = Go Ahead

   

• cassie

  17 Nov 11, 09:31

  wah can start language thread liao!

• Clivebenss

  17 Nov 11, 13:09

  almost..

  

• cassie

  17 Nov 11, 13:26

  why "almost"? go ahead la

• Bus&Soccer l0v3r (VO3x 1)

  17 Nov 11, 20:28

  evening

• cassie

  17 Nov 11, 20:58

  evening there BS

• Mr Milo

  17 Nov 11, 21:46

   

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