SG: 10.30pm Club Chapter II in a dot
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lemme go get my din
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Teacher Bangulzai. One question: When did Japanese leave China to go Japan?
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WW2?
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World War 2? No no.
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then?
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I refer to the first batch of Chinese left china by boat to Japan.
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Originally posted by fibytprsu:
Sigh! What to do ! It is a multi culture, multi racial country here, inevitable to "borrow" other dialect or language's words. I used to think pasar is Chinese until I realised it is a Malay word. The educator has translated pasar literally to Chinese for teaching and usage.
Someone from Sg went to Hong Kong spoke Cantonese and included the word "mattar" which we understand is police. The HK people looked at her and asked what is the meaning, it was only then she realised that is not a Cantonese word. How embarassing!
There's nothing too serious about "borrowing" if it enriches one's language. For me, I prefer "pasar" > "pa sat" (巴刹) rather than "tsh'i tiuN" (å¸‚å ´) as I live in Singapore. I dislike those people who make a big hoo-haa when they happen to travel to Amoy or Swatow or Teochew and come back and tell-us-off that how pure they think the Amoy people or Teochew people spoke there and how terok we speak here. They make a hoo-haa when they speak Singaporean Hokkien or Teochew and when they found out that they cannot be understood, and when they come back, they start to look down on Singaporean Hokkien or Teochew. I tell them lah, please lah, you think what is "pure", please define "pure", you think China Amoy Hokkien or Swatow Teochew is also "pure" meh?? They mix a lot of Putonghua into it also, by definition they are "impure" Hokkien and Teochew also lah !
Regarding Singaporean Hokkien / Teochew / Hainanese "mattar", the Singaporean Cantonese is "maa-taau". I have yet to relate the "tar" sound-change to "taau" and it still puzzles me.
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Originally posted by Bus&Soccer l0v3r (VO3x 1):
evening
Good evening too, Panglima
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Originally posted by cassie:
lemme go get my din
harap lu sua nikmatkan lu mia makan malam. gua makan mee tambah chendawan untok gua mia makan malam. tokok manyak chili padi sama sambal belachan jugak.
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Originally posted by fibytprsu:
Teacher Bangulzai. One question: When did Japanese leave China to go Japan?
Good evening Pengawal Fibytprsu.
Just a disclaimer. Whatever is to be known publicly can be searched in Wikipedia easily nowadays. Other than Wikipedia, for things that I know, I shall share here without reference (or with minimal reference when i need some confirmation) to Wikipedia. If discrepancies are found, feel free to point out. I mostly share what I know of (i.e. independent research via external sources oso incl wikipedia).
When did Japanese leave China to go Japan?
According to linguistic and archaelogical evidence, most probably the Japanese people that speaks the "Japanese" family of languages (incl the Okinawan dialects of Ryukyu) start leaving China+Korea's mainland around 2000-1500 BC and started to form the base of the current Japanese people. They didn't leave all at once, which means it happens as a trickle of people setting foot on Japan all the way up till 1500 AD there are still trickle of people leaving China+Korea's mainland for Japan (means a period of 3000 years of human movement from China+Korea's mainland to Japan).
Archaelogical evidence show that the current Japanese speaking people comes from the "Yayoi" cultural group, whereas prior to these people landing on Japan, there was already another human cultural group called the "Jomon" cultural group staying on the Japan archipelago already. Slowly, the "Yayoi" people trickle more and more, and pushed the "Jomon" people to the fringes on Japan archipelago towards Northern Honshu and Hokkaido. "Yayoi" people also intermingled and intermarried with the "Jomon" people who stayed in newly occupied areas of "Yayoi" people. It is not known whether the current "Ainu" people of Hokkaido, Kurile and Sakhalin are of the original stock of people descended from the "Jomon" people. DNA evidences have shown that they do not exhibit too much difference from the mainstream Japanese "Yayoi" people, although currently most "Ainu" people are already mixed with the "Japanese" people's genes for a long time already due to their small numbers.
Linguistic evidence show that the current Japanese speaking people's homeland is in Northern Korea all the way till HeiLongJiang Province of China, roughly the whole of the "Manchuria" heartlands. Currently there is no language which cognates with Japanese in the China+Korea's mainland, but historical evidence show that the Koguryo (Goguryeo) language of the Koguryo (Goguryeo) 高�麗 kingdom which was defeated subsequently by the Silla kingdom, was the language related to current Japanese language. Currently, the Koguryo (Goguryeo) language is extinct, thus we do not have any direct evidence other than words recorded in the historical records resurrected via historical linguistic reconstruction.
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Originally posted by fibytprsu:
I refer to the first batch of Chinese left china by boat to Japan.
It is better not to say "Chinese" left china by boat to Japan as those that left are not "Chinese". For all we are sure, they are better referred to as "Yellow skin people" who left china by boat to Japan, as not all "yellow skin people" are Chinese, and we are sure that those that went to Japan and currently made up the Japanese people, are not "Chinese".
(Yellow skin people also includes Japanese, Koreans, Manchurians, Mongolians, Vietnamese, Tibetans, Newari, Bhutanese, Zhuang, Hlai, Bai, Tujia, Lolo, Wa, Buyi, Yi, Qiang, Balti, Sherpa, Tamang, Uyghur, Kazakh, Buryats, Tuvan, Evenki, Oroqen, Nanai, Ainu, Sakha, Kygyrz, Kalmyk, Nganasan, Nenets, Enets, Chukchi, Koryak, Even, Ket, Yeniseian, Haida, Tlingit, Inuit, Aleut, & perhaps another 50 types of people, with no direct relationship to the Chinese people as an ethnic group)
(Broader definition of yellow skin people also includes all types of people who are brown-skinned, including Malays, Filipinos, Thai, Burmese, Lao, Cambodians, Naga, Bodo, Garo, Khasi, Vaiphei, Shan, Chin, Kachin, Meithei, Javanese, Paiwan, Amis, Atayal, Saisiat, Rukai, Kanakanavu, Pazeh, Bunun, Igorot, Cham, Acehnese, Sundanese, Chamorro, Tahitian, Hawaiian, Samoan, Tongan, Maori, Athabaskan, Mayan, Nahuatl, Chipewyan, Quechua, Aymara, & perhaps another 100 types of people)
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gd morning guru bangul.
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Originally posted by Clivebenss:
gd morning guru bangul.
Selamat Tengamalam Penghulu Clivebenss
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i once met a china girl in my old workplace in spore.i could have sworn i saw her on the internet in a japanese porn!she didnt look chinese..more japanese looking from japanese village.
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actually....came across 2.
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speaking of work.i dreamt my old workplace supervisor lost his job and i met him with all tethered shirt and on top of a windy building,he told me in a barely audible tone a distance away from me,"Can eat and shit is all he needed."before that his chiobu wife and kid talked and went off.
i was damn sad i couldnt help him much as he was quite an ok person althogh i yelled at him when he wanted me to sign something thats not true on my yearly report after i returned from reservist duty.dreamt i flew back to spore and stayed at hotel in orchard central .
woke up wondering...damnit..need to do things faster!
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morning guys
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Selamat Tengari kepada Putri Cassi sama Pengarah Hit
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selamat tengahari encik bang. dah menjamu makan tengahari?
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gd afternoon.
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hi clive...if you're still around
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Originally posted by cassie:
hi clive...if you're still around
hello cassie.
squarely around.
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Good evening. Nice weather.
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
There's nothing too serious about "borrowing" if it enriches one's language. For me, I prefer "pasar" > "pa sat" (巴刹) rather than "tsh'i tiuN" (å¸‚å ´) as I live in Singapore. I dislike those people who make a big hoo-haa when they happen to travel to Amoy or Swatow or Teochew and come back and tell-us-off that how pure they think the Amoy people or Teochew people spoke there and how terok we speak here. They make a hoo-haa when they speak Singaporean Hokkien or Teochew and when they found out that they cannot be understood, and when they come back, they start to look down on Singaporean Hokkien or Teochew. I tell them lah, please lah, you think what is "pure", please define "pure", you think China Amoy Hokkien or Swatow Teochew is also "pure" meh?? They mix a lot of Putonghua into it also, by definition they are "impure" Hokkien and Teochew also lah !
Regarding Singaporean Hokkien / Teochew / Hainanese "mattar", the Singaporean Cantonese is "maa-taau". I have yet to relate the "tar" sound-change to "taau" and it still puzzles me.
Yes, I like it pure. As mentioned earlier in my post, it is inevitable we speak "rojak" due to multicultures aand multiracial society in SG. Speak what is practical and comfortable and understood by people in general. Pragmatic is the key word here.
Embarrassment in ignorance is forgiven.
Like I never knew that kentang is Malay until I grew up. -
Originally posted by BanguIzai:
It is better not to say "Chinese" left china by boat to Japan as those that left are not "Chinese". For all we are sure, they are better referred to as "Yellow skin people" who left china by boat to Japan, as not all "yellow skin people" are Chinese, and we are sure that those that went to Japan and currently made up the Japanese people, are not "Chinese".
(Yellow skin people also includes Japanese, Koreans, Manchurians, Mongolians, Vietnamese, Tibetans, Newari, Bhutanese, Zhuang, Hlai, Bai, Tujia, Lolo, Wa, Buyi, Yi, Qiang, Balti, Sherpa, Tamang, Uyghur, Kazakh, Buryats, Tuvan, Evenki, Oroqen, Nanai, Ainu, Sakha, Kygyrz, Kalmyk, Nganasan, Nenets, Enets, Chukchi, Koryak, Even, Ket, Yeniseian, Haida, Tlingit, Inuit, Aleut, & perhaps another 50 types of people, with no direct relationship to the Chinese people as an ethnic group)
(Broader definition of yellow skin people also includes all types of people who are brown-skinned, including Malays, Filipinos, Thai, Burmese, Lao, Cambodians, Naga, Bodo, Garo, Khasi, Vaiphei, Shan, Chin, Kachin, Meithei, Javanese, Paiwan, Amis, Atayal, Saisiat, Rukai, Kanakanavu, Pazeh, Bunun, Igorot, Cham, Acehnese, Sundanese, Chamorro, Tahitian, Hawaiian, Samoan, Tongan, Maori, Athabaskan, Mayan, Nahuatl, Chipewyan, Quechua, Aymara, & perhaps another 100 types of people)
Thanks for your reply.
Oh ya, there are other yellow skin people in China other than Chinese.