Who is the real beneficiary for taxi fare increases ?
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Originally posted by Happybird95:
P.s. I wholeheartedly agree with rbs for not supporting cashless if there's nothing for us.
Now we know the crux of the issue. Get straight to the point la.
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Originally posted by Bingjames:
I really dunno how u see this to be a problem, no matter how I tried to put myself in your position.
The charge is to the pax, not hidden but clearly stated. The pax got the choice to use or not to use it.
But what problem are you talking about about u accepting cashless? U mean the few seconds it cost u to process the transaction?
..YOUR HARDWORK SHOULDN'T BE SHARE BY SOMEBODY WHO DID NOTHING.......
and what hard work are you talking about? The fees for the hard work in fetching your pax is in the taxi fare right? Your so called hard work is processing the cashless transaction? Are u saying you also want a cut of that in order to be fair?
I got pax who wants to know who takes the $8 advance booking fees. If it's me, they say it's fair, if it all goes to the company, they say it's not. But when they know $1 goes to the company, they think it make sense cos without the company and the cost of maintaining the system, I would not even get to earn the taxi fare, not to mention the $1.
But about a cut in the admin fee? i dunno. What's yr take Guys?
In any Credit Card transaction, CDG is the only company that revert the admin fee to the card holder......
Why I'm so insistent? Because I don't condone what CDG should be doing.....
Is the requirement by LTA that the taxi operator SHOULD provide all the neccessary fundamental on Taxi Business.....ie Call Center, but not on Cashless Facility......
We NEVER request Company to install all the nonsense to the taxi, but if they do, fine for me, but do not enforce something which LTA never even insist.......
Yes, added service, than THEY should adsorb the admin fee like all others retailers been doing......
After spending week of hourly disposal with my clients, 10% of my hardwork, let's say $1000 equal to $100, and my clients got to pay this $100 for someone who are doing NOTHING? Pig also not so BIG.......
Anyway, got to stress it again, except this admin fee, I got nothing against cashless, and HappyBird is absolutely right, you give me perk, like how CDG given us CALL opportunity.....Phone Card I also will accept......
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But then, some are willing to pay, it may also help them to gain points on their CC, on the other hand, I had met a guy who insist on cards even I told him you are giving money to the bank, he said his wife insisted it, she wanted to know his moment.
Let us get flexible over cashless and cash, both got it pros and cons, some cabbies prefer it as it also reduce the effort to change and also can paid rental without having to deposit at banks. On the other hand, relief like me need cash, if no cash, how to pay hirers, but at the end of the day, it is all up to customer, whatever you paste your decal of all types of credit cards acceptable on your window, you should accept it, if not it will be saying 36DD size, then go inside knn only 32 cup, hang lamb head but sell dog meat..
Of course you guys can argues till the cow come home, but life still goes on with cash or credit options
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Points to add......
They can try not to set up their call center properly, see quarterly how much they kanna fine loh.....FOR THIS, they are at our mercy........
CASHLESS?........we are at their mercy?
We pay daily rental, whether in advance or backlog, STILL paying.....I had to stress again, WE DON'T OWE COMPANY ANY FARKING THINGS......
They had to understand that.......
Even they want to terminate our hirer agreement ALSO must have VALID reasons.....
They got a profit of $65M.....nothing to do with me......
I got a profit of $65M.....they also don't need to happy for me, because I don't SHARE with them also.......
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Originally posted by bowah:
But then, some are willing to pay, it may also help them to gain points on their CC, on the other hand, I had met a guy who insist on cards even I told him you are giving money to the bank, he said his wife insisted it, she wanted to know his moment.
Let us get flexible over cashless and cash, both got it pros and cons, some cabbies prefer it as it also reduce the effort to change and also can paid rental without having to deposit at banks. On the other hand, relief like me need cash, if no cash, how to pay hirers, but at the end of the day, it is all up to customer, whatever you paste your decal of all types of credit cards acceptable on your window, you should accept it, if not it will be saying 36DD size, then go inside knn only 32 cup, hang lamb head but sell dog meat..
Of course you guys can argues till the cow come home, but life still goes on with cash or credit options
It's all up to customer?
Not ture hor,
If many many pax on street like 10+ at orchird,....
You tell me wan use net/card see i song to zai bo............
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Originally posted by Rbs70:
In any Credit Card transaction, CDG is the only company that revert the admin fee to the card holder......
Why I'm so insistent? Because I don't condone what CDG should be doing.....
Is the requirement by LTA that the taxi operator SHOULD provide all the neccessary fundamental on Taxi Business.....ie Call Center, but not on Cashless Facility......
We NEVER request Company to install all the nonsense to the taxi, but if they do, fine for me, but do not enforce something which LTA never even insist.......
Yes, added service, than THEY should adsorb the admin fee like all others retailers been doing......
After spending week of hourly disposal with my clients, 10% of my hardwork, let's say $1000 equal to $100, and my clients got to pay this $100 for someone who are doing NOTHING? Pig also not so BIG.......
Anyway, got to stress it again, except this admin fee, I got nothing against cashless, and HappyBird is absolutely right, you give me perk, like how CDG given us CALL opportunity.....Phone Card I also will accept......
Dunno how u make that statement.
when I got my Samsung Galaxy tab from Sim Lim Sq, payment by cash is alot cheaper than paying by card. That difference is the admin fees.
Most retail outlet works in this way, wonder why u say CDG is the only one?
Btw, CDG only make 40 cents from your call, u want them to absorb 10% of yr fare? In the end, who they get from? yr taxi fare of cos. Yang Mao sheng zai yang sheng shang.
or u mean deduct from your rental?
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Of course, lah, you dun owe anyone a living and vice versa, no one owe you a living, you go in sign and hired a cab with your eyes open, they can show you pages of rules regulation and conditions, and like purchasing house, you just sign and sign, get the cab you wanted and start to ply the road for a living.
Whatever provided inside your cab are tools for your usage, you want or do not want to use is up to you, but you hv to oblige the daily rental fees, be it in advance or credit.
And FYI, they do not need a valid reason to terminate your contract, why do they need it, vehicle and license of business belong to them, not you. But becasue of ethnic and maybe publicity sake, good governance and management, they are more reasonable in that sense.
You can check the employement, leasing and hiring laws, there is no obligation that employers or leasers to employ or rent it to you. A company can ask a worker to go anytime, it is the perogatives of the employers or the company.
You tell, which cabbies take a taxi company to court for terminating him??
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Originally posted by Bingjames:
Dunno how u make that statement.
when I got my Samsung Galaxy tab from Sim Lim Sq, payment by cash is alot cheaper than paying by card. That difference is the admin fees.
Most retail outlet works in this way, wonder why u say CDG is the only one?
Btw, CDG only make 40 cents from your call, u want them to absorb 10% of yr fare? In the end, who they get from? yr taxi fare of cos. Yang Mao sheng zai yang sheng shang.
or u mean deduct from your rental?
Ok with your statement, so you fully understand what I ranting about liao...,good day!!!....
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Originally posted by Red5xx:
It's all up to customer?
Not ture hor,
If many many pax on street like 10+ at orchird,....
You tell me wan use net/card see i song to zai bo............
Then you can mai zai lor, nothing will happen to you, and pax can also take others, therefore it is all up to them, no cash, no cabs, as simple as that. -
Originally posted by Rbs70:
Points to add......
They can try not to set up their call center properly, see quarterly how much they kanna fine loh.....FOR THIS, they are at our mercy........
CASHLESS?........we are at their mercy?
We pay daily rental, whether in advance or backlog, STILL paying.....I had to stress again, WE DON'T OWE COMPANY ANY FARKING THINGS......
They had to understand that.......
Even they want to terminate our hirer agreement ALSO must have VALID reasons.....
They got a profit of $65M.....nothing to do with me......
I got a profit of $65M.....they also don't need to happy for me, because I don't SHARE with them also.......
I think u got both mixed up.
what has calls got to do with cashless.
Ya, taking calls is yr option. They need your support. But to say they are at your mercy, i dunno. I look at the way advance calls come in. I thought I was fast in taking it, split seconds, but they are all gone in a flash. Obvious, not many people think like you.
As for me, i not so excited to take calls nowadays, too much red tapes.
As for accepting cashless, I dun think as a CDG driver, u even have that option. At yr mercy? you are joking right? If customer complain, be prepared anytime to find a new company. Check out if not accepting cashless goes against company regulation which can leads to termination?
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This thread got lots of cheers, goodbyes, goodlucks, and other ending thread words, but funny how, it still goes on...
, hopefully brothers here can take it as good arguement to stress out. -
Originally posted by Bingjames:
Now we know the crux of the issue. Get straight to the point la.
Alas, you see the light.
Money has always been the issue, it's you who didn't see where I'm coming from early on haha. Our discussion has always been abt accepting cashless or not. Then along the way you drag the focus point to future and other Issues.
I simply refuse to keep track of transactions beyond dropping off my pax if I'm not properly remunerated. No cash no cab, simple.
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Originally posted by Bingjames:
Ya, u got it right!
who is the one who started hissing and barking first.
Who is the one who successfuly make a total deviation to this topic that now has dog breeding and money lending as it's sub topic.
Now ppl even getting popcorn ready to enjoy! Hope u not senile horr.
U sure real crowd puller la, with all your antics.
You may twist for all you can but audiences will be the judge.
Im not here to impress but to air my feel, dun know abt you though.
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Originally posted by Happybird95:
Alas, you see the light.
Money has always been the issue, it's you who didn't see where I'm coming from early on haha. Our discussion has always been abt accepting cashless or not. Then along the way you drag the focus point to future and other Issues.
I simply refuse to keep track of transactions beyond dropping off my pax if I'm not properly remunerated. No cash no cab, simple.
What I see light? i see your true colour rather.
u want a cut of that 10%? u wait long long ok! If it ever happen, I chop off my head for you as stool.
no cash, no cab? as if u are the only one left! plenty behind waiting.
If u really as what u say, no cash, no cab, I can guarantee u, in the very near future, I can see u "lan lan" accepting not only credit card - smlj cards also can accept.
mark my words here
or u are already doing that now?
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for that matter, is there anyone from CDG who are very verbally against this cashless thing but in real life accepting them like nobody's business?
I dun think anyone who is in business for that long can refuse cashless in CDG and get away with it.
If that is so, it's a real sad case because on one side, they are as someone here quoted, "bulldozing" their way to protest this while on the other hand doing a different thing.
This would give people here, esp newbies a wrong message which might get them into trouble if they think they can hold the company at their mercy.
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Oh, rest assure, I do what I preach.......
My cab might be the only 1 without car decal......I'm notoriously in office also......
Read all posts properly and carefully before making judgement for newbies, ok....
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CDG crown with no mdt , rental is cheaper
no calls, no cashless, just pick and go all the way
a few years back still have, now dunno still OTR or not ?
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Originally posted by Bingjames:
What I see light? i see your true colour rather.
u want a cut of that 10%? u wait long long ok! If it ever happen, I chop off my head for you as stool.
no cash, no cab? as if u are the only one left! plenty behind waiting.
If u really as what u say, no cash, no cab, I can guarantee u, in the very near future, I can see u "lan lan" accepting not only credit card - smlj cards also can accept.
mark my words here
or u are already doing that now?
u want a cut of that 10%? u wait long long ok! If it ever happen, I chop off my head for you as stool.
I just love it when pple starts making such comments kakakakakakakaka. I've learn from numerous lessons to "never say never". If that day ever comes pls dun hide behind your keyboard ya.
When one operates in a non-cashless manner they are prepared for rejections, dun need you to worry for them.
again you say future...... By then I might not be ard or not driving taxi.. Let's be more pragmatic and talk abt now. Mark your words? I sincerely hope you know the difference between being confident and arrogant. Remember Sun Tze's said arrogance is the demise of many generals.
I still reject cashless for your info.
Cheers
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Originally posted by Bingjames:
for that matter, is there anyone from CDG who are very verbally against this cashless thing but in real life accepting them like nobody's business?
I dun think anyone who is in business for that long can refuse cashless in CDG and get away with it.
If that is so, it's a real sad case because on one side, they are as someone here quoted, "bulldozing" their way to protest this while on the other hand doing a different thing.
This would give people here, esp newbies a wrong message which might get them into trouble if they think they can hold the company at their mercy.
You speak like you're cdg spokesperson, i sincerely hope this is not the case for it'll be PR failure of epic proportion. The way you convey messages really turns pple off big time.
We are all adults and everyone is responsible for their deeds, if newbies follow blindly then wat can anyone do?
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Cash or cashless same la to me....
Per hourly how much can we as td earn all quite standard and formulated already.
Unless someone with facts and figure here can prove that because of cashless facilities taxis can have a great substantial increase in income like 10% to 20% more as compare to taxis without cashless facilities.
If not all these endless arguments here are just wasting own time and bandwidth on sgforums
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Originally posted by ericgo:
Cash or cashless same la to me....
Per hourly how much can we as td earn all quite standard and formulated already.
Unless someone with facts and figure here can prove that because of cashless facilities taxis can have a great substantial increase in income like 10% to 20% more as compare to taxis without cashless facilities.
If not all these endless arguments here are just wasting own time and bandwidth on sgforums
I think a more accurate figure should come from the TD himself.
end of the day, just count how many pax he got to reject or been rejected by them because he cannot or dun want to accept cashless.
remember, every one he did, it means a loss business opportunity which he got to get another to replace right? Hope the figure is not too high.
Hey Birdie, whether u like to admit or choose to camoflag them with nice flowerly words, when u cannot take the pax for this cashless reason, even if u choose to, it IS a lost business opportunity..Cannot siam!!!!!
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Originally posted by Bingjames:
I think a more accurate figure should come from the TD himself.
end of the day, just count how many pax he got to reject or been rejected by them because he cannot or dun want to accept cashless.
remember, every one he did, it means a loss business opportunity which he got to get another to replace right? Hope the figure is not too high.
I drove on both. Than with cashless facilities and now without it. All i can say there is no diff to my overall monthly income and driving hours.The only crucial issue for me regarding cashless facilities is only after midnight for that graveyard hours i feel its important to have. Other than that im ok.
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Originally posted by Happybird95:
u want a cut of that 10%? u wait long long ok! If it ever happen, I chop off my head for you as stool.
I just love it when pple starts making such comments kakakakakakakaka. I've learn from numerous lessons to "never say never". If that day ever comes pls dun hide behind your keyboard ya.
When one operates in a non-cashless manner they are prepared for rejections, dun need you to worry for them.
again you say future...... By then I might not be ard or not driving taxi.. Let's be more pragmatic and talk abt now. Mark your words? I sincerely hope you know the difference between being confident and arrogant. Remember Sun Tze's said arrogance is the demise of many generals.
I still reject cashless for your info.
Cheers
u obviously never learn to say "never say never accept cashless".
Ya you are right! this day will come. When cashless seems inevitable and u got to be left behind, quiting is an expected option as a facing saving one.
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Originally posted by ericgo:
I drove on both. Than with cashless facilities and now without it. All i can say there is no diff to my overall monthly income and driving hours.The only crucial issue for me regarding cashless facilities is only after midnight for that graveyard hours i feel its important to have. Other than that im ok.
u missed my point.
I am asking when u are driving one without cashless, do u face ppl who ONLY want to pay by card? If yes, how many a day?
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Originally posted by Bingjames:
u missed my point.
I am asking when u are driving one without cashless, do u face ppl who ONLY want to pay by card? If yes, how many a day?
What i face usually are paxs asking can pay by nets or credit card. and i told pax i dont have such facilities, most still pay by cash or i suggest to drive them to the nearest atm nearby their location.I realise one thing, most paxs that usually pay by cashless only onboard than realise and ask if can pay by cashless or those realise wallet not enuf cash and ask to pay cashless, so i usually also drive them to atm or their home to collect cash. These are the 2 scenario i encounter the most
Outright reject usually pretty rare or i would say non for me so far during peak hours where demand for taxis are high. Even if got rejection the next pax in the Q i also can take
In fact i face most of my rejections after midnight, thats why i say it only crucial for me after midnight.
In the end its how i handle such cashless paxs to convince them to take my cab.