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  • dkcx

    Didn't that that in concentrated solutions the ions can 'outnumber' the OH- n H+ ions since its always perceived that your solvent is always more than your solute even in highly soluble compounds.

  • d3sT1nY

    Alright thanks. icon_lol.gif

    Will come back with more questions later on.

  • UltimaOnline
    Originally posted by dkcx:

    Didn't that that in concentrated solutions the ions can 'outnumber' the OH- n H+ ions since its always perceived that your solvent is always more than your solute even in highly soluble compounds.


    The molarity of the solvent is of course certainly much greater (by definition of "solute" and "solvent") than the molarity of the solute, but the molarity of H+ and OH- ions from the auto-ionization or auto-dissociation of water remains very low at room temperature; Kw = [H+][OH-] =  1.00 x 10-14 

     

    Ultimately, the issue is how concentrated is "concentrated"?

     

    Also, dkcx, as one of your personal principles of "importance of practicality over theoreticality", theoretical concepts are only useful when applied to explain practical experimental observations.

     

    And I vividly remember carrying out this electrolysis in my lab - the wonderful smell of molecular chlorine from the aqueous sodium chloride (undergoing electrolysis) was distinctly unmistakable.

     

     

  • d3sT1nY
    Originally posted by UltimaOnline:


    The molarity of the solvent is of course certainly much greater (by definition of "solute" and "solvent") than the molarity of the solute, but the molarity of H+ and OH- ions from the auto-ionization or auto-dissociation of water remains very low at room temperature; Kw = [H+][OH-] =  1.00 x 10-14 

     

    Ultimately, the issue is how concentrated is "concentrated"?

     

    Also, dkcx, as one of your personal principles of "importance of practicality over theoreticality", theoretical concepts are only useful when applied to explain practical experimental observations.

     

    And I vividly remember carrying out this electrolysis in my lab - the wonderful smell of molecular chlorine from the aqueous sodium chloride (undergoing electrolysis) was distinctly unmistakable.

    Sorry, regarding the bolded text. The aqueous NaCl, in this case, means the controversial "concentrated" NaCl? Because diluted NaCl will not produce Cl gas.

  • UltimaOnline
    Originally posted by d3sT1nY:

    Sorry, regarding the bolded text. The aqueous NaCl, in this case, means the controversial "concentrated" NaCl? Because diluted NaCl will not produce Cl gas.


    Aqueous means "dissolved in water".

     

    The "concentrated" aqueous NaCl(aq) will produce H2 gas at cathode (reduction of protons) and Cl2 gas at anode (oxidation of chloride anions).

     

    The "dilute" aqueous NaCl(aq) will produce H2 gas at cathode (reduction of protons) and O2 gas at anode (oxidation of hydroxide anions). 

  • d3sT1nY

    5. Which of the following aqueous solutions contains an electrolyte?

    a) 0.1M glucose

    b) 0.2M ethanol

    c) 1M ethanoic acid

    d) 1.5M CH3OCH3 (Ether but I don't know the name)

     

    6. Which half reaction can occur at the anode in a voltaic cell?

    a) Zn --> Zn2+ + 2e-

    b) Fe3+ --> Fe2+ + e-

     

  • UltimaOnline
    Originally posted by d3sT1nY:

    5. Which of the following aqueous solutions contains an electrolyte?

    a) 0.1M glucose

    b) 0.2M ethanol

    c) 1M ethanoic acid

    d) 1.5M CH3OCH3 (Ether but I don't know the name)

     

    6. Which half reaction can occur at the anode in a voltaic cell?

    a) Zn --> Zn2+ + 2e-

    b) Fe3+ --> Fe2+ + e-

     

    Hint for Q5)

    Only one of these dissociate significantly to form ions, required for conduction of electricity.

     

     

    Hints for Q6)

    Red Cat riding An Ox. Reduction occurs at the Cathode. At the Anode, Oxidation occurs.

     

    Fe3+ is reduced to Fe2+

    Reduction : Fe3+ + e- --> Fe2+

     

    Fe 2+ is oxidized to Fe3+

    Oxidation : Fe2+ --> Fe3+ + e-

  • d3sT1nY

    5. So I suppose carboxylic acid is more acidic than alcohol.

    Let's see, because of the oxygen (highly electronegative) that is double bonded to the carbon, increase the extent of the negative charge of the carboxylate ion, thus stabilizing the ion in aqueous state.

    Alcohol has a ethyl group attached directly to the oxygen, dispersing the negative charge, thus destabilizing the alcohol ion.

    6. Oh, crap, I see wrongly. The half equation I typed out is not possible.

  • UltimaOnline
    Originally posted by d3sT1nY:

    5. So I suppose carboxylic acid is more acidic than alcohol.

    Let's see, because of the oxygen (highly electronegative) that is double bonded to the carbon, increase the extent of the negative charge of the carboxylate ion, thus stabilizing the ion in aqueous state.

    Alcohol has a ethyl group attached directly to the oxygen, dispersing the negative charge, thus destabilizing the alcohol ion.

    6. Oh, crap, I see wrongly. The half equation I typed out is not possible.


    The carboxylate anion is stabilized by both resonance and induction - the negative ionic charge on the conjugate base is spread out (by resonance and induction) over 2 electronegative oxygen atoms. 

     

  • basmoth

    Sorry to ask but what sort of isomerism (of pentane) do these two exhibit?

    b) 2-methylpentane (branched chain) and c) 2,2-dimethylpentane (a cross shaped molecule with 5 carbons).

    They can't be functional group, structural or positional isomers, can they?

    Additionally, 'Alcohol has a ethyl group attached directly to the oxygen, dispersing the negative charge, thus destabilizing the alcohol ion.' is wrong as the positive inductive effect of the electron donating alkyl group will actually intensify the negative charge on the O atom, making the conjugate base ion for ethanol less stable. I think. :p

     

  • dkcx

    2-methylpentane and 2,2-dimethylpentane are not really isomers of pentance since they differ in the number of carbons and that by itself does not make them isomers. Rather, they are just different types of alkanes. 

    The answer as given in the book d which is a cycloalkane has the general formula simiar to that of an alkene which is in a way something totally different from alkanes and the more odd 1 out in the 4.

    As mentioned, i do not agree with the use of the word isomers in the question since that is wrong to me.

  • d3sT1nY

    Actually I'm sorry for a mistake. It's actually not 2,2-dimethylpentane BUT 2,2-dimethylpropane. So that would be 5 carbons.

    =X

  • dkcx

    Ok but is the 2 methyl really pentane or butane?

  • d3sT1nY

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    7. Which compound contains both ionic and covalent bonds?

    a) Aluminium chloride

    b) Ethyl propanoate

    c) Titanium oxide

    d) Diamond

     

    8. What is the mass of chromium, Cr, that can be extracted from 76g of chromium(III) oxide?

     

    9. Which of the following underlined substance has been reduced?

    a) Ag+Cl- --> AgCl

    b) N2 --> NH3

     

    Ok, your help is greatly appreciated. I don't know whether is it the book I'm using has so many mistakes or is it my chemistry knowledge has gone rusty.

  • dkcx
    Originally posted by d3sT1nY:

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    7. Which compound contains both ionic and covalent bonds?

    a) Aluminium chloride

    b) Ethyl propanoate

    c) Titanium oxide

    d) Diamond

     

    8. What is the mass of chromium, Cr, that can be extracted from 76g of chromium(III) oxide?

     

    9. Which of the following underlined substance has been reduced?

    a) Ag+Cl- --> AgCl

    b) N2 --> NH3

     

    Ok, your help is greatly appreciated. I don't know whether is it the book I'm using has so many mistakes or is it my chemistry knowledge has gone rusty.

    7) Erm not sure cos none seems possible to me since most of the compounds that have both that i know are ceramics.

    8) Find the number of moles of Cr2O3 in 76g and multiply it by the Mr of Cr. Should be an easy question

    9) Reduction is a loss of oxygen, gain of hydrogen or decrease in oxidation number.

    Ag(0) - Ag (+1)
    N(0) - > N (-3)

    Should be clear i hope :) 

    Maybe you should get a new book since this seems to be loaded with a number of errors in their questions itself.

  • UltimaOnline

    Aluminium chloride is a well known example of a compound that is predominantly covalent but with ionic character, due to the relatively small electronegativity difference between aluminium and chloride. (In contrast, aluminium oxide is predominantly ionic with covalent character, which explains its amphoteric properties; 'A' level students can attempt drawing out the hydrolysis mechanisms of covalent vs ionic oxides).

     

    Oxides of titanium, are a much more interesting matter. Titanium has an electronegativity rating relatively similar to aluminium, to be precise - Al (1.5) is slightly more electronegative than Ti (1.3). After electronegativity, there is secondary factor* that determines the extent of covalent vs ionic character in such compounds - its actual structure, in turn due to the valencies or stiochiometries of the compound.

     

    (*'A' level H2/H3/H1 students will only be examined on the primary factor of electronegativity difference. Anything beyond this is for your own further reading only.)

     

    Oxides of titanium illustrate this principle rather nicely.

     

    From :

    http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1994PhRvB..5013974S

    >>> The nature of the chemical bond in three titanium oxides of different crystal structure and different formal oxidation state has been studied by means of the ab initio cluster-model approach. The covalent and ionic contributions to the bond have been measured from different theoretical techniques. All the analysis is consistent with an increasing of covalence in the TiO, Ti2O3, and TiO2 series as expected from chemical intuition. Moreover, the use of the ab initio cluster-model approach combined with different theoretical techniques has permitted us to quantify the degree of ionic character, showing that while TiO can approximately be described as an ionic compound, TiO2 is better viewed as a rather covalent oxide. <<<

     

    Wikipedia on

    TiO - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium(II)_oxide

    Ti2O3 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium(III)_oxide

    TiO2 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium(IV)_oxide

     

    PubChem's (structural diagrams) on :

    Ti2O3 - http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=123111

    TiO2 - http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=26042

     

     

  • d3sT1nY
    Originally posted by dkcx:

    7) Erm not sure cos none seems possible to me since most of the compounds that have both that i know are ceramics.

    Should be clear i hope :) 

     

    8) Find the number of moles of Cr2O3 in 76g and multiply it by the Mr of Cr. Should be an easy question

    I got 52 but there's no 52 in the multiple choices answer. Relatively easy but the answer are really driving me crazy and making me doubtful of my knowledge. icon_lol.gif 

    9) Reduction is a loss of oxygen, gain of hydrogen or decrease in oxidation number.

    Ag(0) - Ag (+1) So why is it Ag+ 0 instead of +1
    N(0) - > N (-3)

    Maybe you should get a new book since this seems to be loaded with a number of errors in their questions itself.

    Then I wouldn't recommend this book published by EPH Pte Ltd, author is Bob Ryan - O Level Chemistry guide (Orange in colour).

    I thought EPH books should be quite good. icon_confused.gif

  • d3sT1nY
    Originally posted by UltimaOnline:

    Aluminium chloride is a well known example of a compound that is predominantly covalent but with ionic character, due to the relatively small electronegativity difference between aluminium and chloride. (In contrast, aluminium oxide is predominantly ionic with covalent character, which explains its amphoteric properties; 'A' level students can attempt drawing out the hydrolysis mechanisms of covalent vs ionic oxides).

     

    Oxides of titanium, are a much more interesting matter. Titanium has an electronegativity rating relatively similar to aluminium, to be precise - Al (1.5) is slightly more electronegative than Ti (1.3). After electronegativity, there is secondary factor* that determines the extent of covalent vs ionic character in such compounds - its actual structure, in turn due to the valencies or stiochiometries of the compound.

     

    (*'A' level H2/H3/H1 students will only be examined on the primary factor of electronegativity difference. Anything beyond this is for your own further reading only.)

     

    Oxides of titanium illustrate this principle rather nicely.

     

    From :

    http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1994PhRvB..5013974S

    >>> The nature of the chemical bond in three titanium oxides of different crystal structure and different formal oxidation state has been studied by means of the ab initio cluster-model approach. The covalent and ionic contributions to the bond have been measured from different theoretical techniques. All the analysis is consistent with an increasing of covalence in the TiO, Ti2O3, and TiO2 series as expected from chemical intuition. Moreover, the use of the ab initio cluster-model approach combined with different theoretical techniques has permitted us to quantify the degree of ionic character, showing that while TiO can approximately be described as an ionic compound, TiO2 is better viewed as a rather covalent oxide. <<<

     

    Wikipedia on

    TiO - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium(II)_oxide

    Ti2O3 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium(III)_oxide

    TiO2 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium(IV)_oxide

     

    PubChem's (structural diagrams) on :

    Ti2O3 - http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=123111

    TiO2 - http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=26042

     

     


    Ok can, I will definitely read up on it. icon_lol.gif

  • dkcx
    Originally posted by d3sT1nY:

     

    8) Find the number of moles of Cr2O3 in 76g and multiply it by the Mr of Cr. Should be an easy question

    I got 52 but there's no 52 in the multiple choices answer. Relatively easy but the answer are really driving me crazy and making me doubtful of my knowledge. icon_lol.gif 

    9) Reduction is a loss of oxygen, gain of hydrogen or decrease in oxidation number.

    Ag(0) - Ag (+1) So why is it Ag+ 0 instead of +1
    N(0) - > N (-3)

    Maybe you should get a new book since this seems to be loaded with a number of errors in their questions itself.

    Then I wouldn't recommend this book published by EPH Pte Ltd, author is Bob Ryan - O Level Chemistry guide (Orange in colour).

    I thought EPH books should be quite good. icon_confused.gif

    I would have got 52 as well and i don't think Cr2O3 has water of crystalisation etc and it would be pathetic if there was and the question didn't mention. Whats the available answers?

    Sorry, i see the question wrongly and thought it was Ag + Cl and not Ag+ Cl- .

    Thats makes it Ag (+1) -> Ag (+1) and no change at all cos its not a redox reaction at all. No change to the final answer anyway.

    Why are u using an O's guide? I thought you were already done with O's

  • d3sT1nY
    Originally posted by dkcx:

    I would have got 52 as well and i don't think Cr2O3 has water of crystalisation etc and it would be pathetic if there was and the question didn't mention. Whats the available answers?

    Sorry, i see the question wrongly and thought it was Ag + Cl and not Ag+ Cl- .

    Thats makes it Ag (+1) -> Ag (+1) and no change at all cos its not a redox reaction at all. No change to the final answer anyway.

    Why are u using an O's guide? I thought you were already done with O's

    Yup, I got 52 too. Means that book is screwed. icon_lol.gif Waste my money.

    Trying to consolidate everything about Chemistry, from 'O's to 'A's so I can do well for uni. But well, start with the simpler one. 2 years of army does make lazy people like me stupid. icon_lol.gif

    I've been trolling around UltimaOnline's thread for a while already. icon_lol.gif

  • UltimaOnline
    Originally posted by d3sT1nY:

    Yup, I got 52 too. Means that book is screwed. icon_lol.gif Waste my money.

    Trying to consolidate everything about Chemistry, from 'O's to 'A's so I can do well for uni. But well, start with the simpler one. 2 years of army does make lazy people like me stupid. icon_lol.gif

    I've been trolling around UltimaOnline's thread for a while already. icon_lol.gif


    You probably mean "lurking", not "trolling".

     

    Lurking is perfectly fine, trolling is not.

     

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  • dkcx
    Originally posted by d3sT1nY:

    Yup, I got 52 too. Means that book is screwed. icon_lol.gif Waste my money.

    Trying to consolidate everything about Chemistry, from 'O's to 'A's so I can do well for uni. But well, start with the simpler one. 2 years of army does make lazy people like me stupid. icon_lol.gif

    I've been trolling around UltimaOnline's thread for a while already. icon_lol.gif

    You entering uni to do chemistry? Which uni?

    Unfortunatley i'll have to say most of the things you study in O's A's turn obsolute very fast once you enter Uni since its sort of a different level and sad to say alot of the earlier information becomes redundant cos what they teach u isn't use that much in uni.

    Sad to say being a chemistry undergrad, i would say half the things you been asking you might not really see or touch on in uni which is partly why i don't really know some of the answers or i should say won't be used by you within your 1st 2 years of chemistry degree education :p

    An eg is the electronic configuration. O's study it as 2,8,82 etc while A's study it as spdf. The 2,8,8,2 etc is more to make it eaiser to understand but after that everyone uses spdf and thats the same for quite a number of topics from the O's and A's syllabus.