Originally posted by Worldlybusinessman:yes ANU reallu good, but ho suh to go to cranberra?
Originally posted by skythewood:Definition of university with mediocre standing ==> the standing of the university is mediocre. Asking me "e.g australian state unis mediocre standing?" is just weird.
Australia have so many university you want me to lump them together and grade them as mediocre, excellent or whatever? Let's say USA, which one is mediocre, non state university of harvard? or state university of texas?
I can assume that the "national" university of any country is not bad. It is foolish to assume that the "state" university is not bad. difference is like neighbourhood sec schools or elite sec school in singapore.
lot of s'poreans go to a particular university doesnt mean that uni is the best..there are some who still went to curtin, RMIT, deakin 2nd tier unis..
s'poreans go to unis which offer them the course and subjects they want to do, the uni brand name, the demographic population of the uni ( eg Asians, singaporeans and malaysians), the teaching style and the courses its known for..
Originally posted by Worldlybusinessman:lot of s'poreans go to a particular university doesnt mean that uni is the best..there are some who still went to curtin, RMIT, deakin 2nd tier unis..
s'poreans go to unis which offer them the course and subjects they want to do, the uni brand name, the demographic population of the uni ( eg Asians, singaporeans and malaysians), the teaching style and the courses its known for..
let me narrow for u please chhose these if u want a good life
ANU
Monash
Melbourne Uni
UTAS
Adelaide
UNSW
UWA
UWS
Originally posted by Worldlybusinessman:let me narrow for u please chhose these if u want a good life
ANU
Monash
Melbourne Uni
UTAS
Adelaide
UNSW
UWA
UWS
Originally posted by Snoopy81:
Yes, you can say it is rather easy to pass exams in poly. That is because the focus is more on hand-ons and a large percentage of the grade is based on assignments and projects. Therefore to score good grades, you will also need to put in effort to do well in projects as well. Similarly, A'level students who are academically brighter may not do so well if they are in poly as they may be lacking in terms of creativity. I agree with you that there should be a minimum standard or entry requirements for our local unis. It is not true to say that those poly grads who didn't manage to get a place in our local unis did not do well enough in poly. I have several friends who acheived above average results and one of them was even in the top few percentage since he got a cert of merit. None of them manage to get a place. The issue is not that they don't do well enough but rather very few places are allocated for poly grads. The situation is very different in another country where students with good results go to a good university and those with lousy results go to a not-so-good university. Nobody is deprieved of university education. We are aware of the numerous achievements and awards which our poly grads won in international competitions and it proves that many of them are of good calibre who certainly deserve a place in our local unis. It is very demoralising to see poly grads with quite impressive results spending so much money for education overseas. It is so unfair for this group of people that even their parents have to beg, borrow or steal to ensure that they receive university education. We shouldn't blame a handful of them who take up permanent residence or citizenship in the other country since our country did not even give them a chance to complete university education. We would have done so if we were in their shoes.
hmmmmm, maybe your friend who got cert with merit try to apply some course that is not related to his poly course? cos i'm a cert of merit holder too, we are able to apply for most of the course in local uni even unrelated ones.... but you must think if your apply for those unrelated course you cert of merit will be nothing, cos its unrelated or your friend go and apply those like law or medicine den comfirm cannot get in ma. i try to apply two time (cos want to change course) both time i got into both nus and ntu, cos i sent both(i sent to related course).....and if every one in singapore can get into local uni so easily den i must as well throw my ntu cert away. worth less.... and seriously even i got my cert of merit in poly, and i compare the work load of poly and uni, my uni course is seriously more den poly.... in poly i can just study one day before the exam and get A and above, in uni i do this i die like shit.....
>>> and i compare the work load of poly and uni, my uni course is seriously more den poly.... in poly i can just study one day before the exam and get A and above, in uni i do this i die like shit..... <<<
Yes, the learning curve is such. University level academia (at least for reputable Universities, eg. Oxford, Havard, Cambridge, NUS, NTU, SMU, etc, not 'degree mills' where rich men pay their way through) is (intended! meant! should be!) 10 times tougher, more rigourous, and demanding, than (Junior College / Polytechnic; both of which are considered to be at the same level of academic difficulty).
It's advisable for students who plan to graduate with a University degree, to mentally prepare themselves (ie. to psych yourself up to enjoy the rigorous academic process). Else if you fail to graduate (eg. because you're mentally unprepared or unwilling to 'pia'/'cheong' 120%), you may be wasting your own precious time and money.
University is definitely more enriching (in more ways than one) than JC/Poly, as long as you can pull it off. Which in turn, is entirely dependent on your own willingness to do so.
Originally posted by UltimaOnline:>>> and i compare the work load of poly and uni, my uni course is seriously more den poly.... in poly i can just study one day before the exam and get A and above, in uni i do this i die like shit..... <<<
Yes, the learning curve is such. University level academia (at least for reputable Universities, eg. Oxford, Havard, Cambridge, NUS, NTU, SMU, etc, not 'degree mills' where rich men pay their way through) is (intended! meant! should be!) 10 times tougher, more rigourous, and demanding, than (Junior College / Polytechnic; both of which are considered to be at the same level of academic difficulty).
It's advisable for students who plan to graduate with a University degree, to mentally prepare themselves (ie. to psych yourself up to enjoy the rigorous academic process). Else if you fail to graduate (eg. because you're mentally unprepared or unwilling to 'pia'/'cheong' 120%), you may be wasting your own precious time and money.
University is definitely more enriching (in more ways than one) than JC/Poly, as long as you can pull it off. Which in turn, is entirely dependent on your own willingness to do so.
dont scare ppl, i know some who had gone to overseas unis with just O levels. And they graduated with a degree eventually, considering the fact that for them the jump is complexity of studies is much higher than those with an "A" level or poly cert
Originally posted by Worldlybusinessman:dont scare ppl, i know some who had gone to overseas unis with just O levels. And they graduated with a degree eventually, considering the fact that for them the jump is complexity of studies is much higher than those with an "A" level or poly cert
yah right
The reason so many smart people choose to complete poly and A level before entering a university that does NOT accept O level applicants is because they are very free and have alot of time.
Originally posted by Worldlybusinessman:dont scare ppl, i know some who had gone to overseas unis with just O levels. And they graduated with a degree eventually, considering the fact that for them the jump is complexity of studies is much higher than those with an "A" level or poly cert
>>> dont scare ppl... <<<
Scare? Are you kidding? Students should be excited instead, intellectually stimulated and invigorated by the deeper, more comprehensive, more satisfying study of a subject they have passion for, at higher levels. 'O' level students should be excited at the prospect to study their personal favourite or beloved subjects (eg. Chemistry, everyone loves Chemistry) at 'A' levels (or a related Polytechnic course), and 'A' level or Diploma holders, should be even more excited at the thought of studying their personal favourite or beloved subjects at an even higher, University level.
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please lah, what i mean is only when u step yr foot forward int th emud or water, will u know yr true capabilites and limits.
most people get stuck at the same place because they are coward who get scared, low self esteem and lack of self confidence..
Originally posted by Mymoja:
hmmmmm, maybe your friend who got cert with merit try to apply some course that is not related to his poly course? cos i'm a cert of merit holder too, we are able to apply for most of the course in local uni even unrelated ones.... but you must think if your apply for those unrelated course you cert of merit will be nothing, cos its unrelated or your friend go and apply those like law or medicine den comfirm cannot get in ma. i try to apply two time (cos want to change course) both time i got into both nus and ntu, cos i sent both(i sent to related course).....and if every one in singapore can get into local uni so easily den i must as well throw my ntu cert away. worth less.... and seriously even i got my cert of merit in poly, and i compare the work load of poly and uni, my uni course is seriously more den poly.... in poly i can just study one day before the exam and get A and above, in uni i do this i die like shit.....
Universities who accept students with 3 or 5 "O" level into their first year bachelor degree programmes or accept students solely based on preliminary results will not be recognised by employers.
So, students who enrolled at these universities are at their own risks and they will waste their money and time.
Universities who lower their entry requirements in pursuit of full fee paying students will lower their standing in the eyes of the employers.
Universities who have very lower entry enquirements and so called accelerated
degree programmes ie complete the degree course in 1 1/2 years instead of the
usual 3 years degree programme will also receive low recognition from the
employers.
Current employers are not less knowledge as the towkay in the past.
They are well aware of the different types of degrees offered by the different
universities, the entry requirements, the recognition of the degrees, the ranking of
the universities too.
Originally posted by Lee012lee:Universities who accept students with 3 or 5 "O" level into their first year bachelor degree programmes or accept students solely based on preliminary results will not be recognised by employers.
So, students who enrolled at these universities are at their own risks and they will waste their money and time.
Universities who lower their entry requirements in pursuit of full fee paying students will lower their standing in the eyes of the employers.
Universities who have very lower entry enquirements and so called accelerated degree programmes ie complete the degree course in 1 1/2 years instead of the usual 3 years degree programme will also receive low recognition from the employers.
i dont get you, most aussie uni give exemptions for sg poly grads does not mean its accelerated..its because some of the stuff u have already studied in poly before..
aaccelerated comes from those private agencies in some corner downtown
I am not referring to polytechnic graduates who went overseas and enrol in the final year of engineering degrees in well recognised australian universitites.
Originally posted by Lee012lee:I am not referring to polytechnic graduates who went overseas and enrol in the final year of engineering degrees in well recognised australian universitites.
for that u mus have at least an advanced diploma..btw aus unis will not just give u places in final year just because u are a full fee paying student. There is no such thing as accelerated degree in Aus as the education industry is regulated by the government bodies
Only in capitalistically exploitation vulnerable countries like singapore. i recall many years ago, there were many of these so called accelerate degreee programmes advertised in the papers..
Originally posted by Lee012lee:I am not referring to polytechnic graduates who went overseas and enrol in the final year of engineering degrees in well recognised australian universitites.
Originally posted by Snoopy81:World University Ranking: http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityr…
Sinagpore
NUS – 30th
NTU – 77thChina
Peking Uni – 50th
Tsinghua Uni – 56thAustralia
ANU – 16th
Uni of Sydney – 37th
Uni of Melbourne – 38th
Uni of Queensland – 43rd
UNSW – 45th
Monash Uni – 47th
UWA – 83rdSurprisingly no Indian universities in top 100.
That's because it was not ranked by indians.
Originally posted by skythewood:That's because it was not ranked by indians.
Originally posted by Snoopy81:
Haha... China is slightly better. But then for such a huge country with many universities, only 2 made it to top 50. 2 out of 3 Singapore public universities made it to the list which is very remarkable. Most universities in this top 50 list are from US, UK, Canada and Australia (unfortunately no NZ). No wonder many people think that western universities are better.
Guess who set the criteria for top universities..
Originally posted by skythewood:Guess who set the criteria for top universities..
i think the real value of a university is seen from its graduates when they enter the workforce.