Ball Drilling
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that is not true, balls need not be seasoned. new ball come in factory finish surface. it is intended for vertain lane condition. however this surface can be changed according to wat you want the ball to do, if you want more hook you can sand it down, if you want less hook you can polish it. so it is always matching the surface with the lane you playing, not about seasoning the ball.Originally posted by Chris10:hee.. some balls need to be "seasoned" to get it to be consistent.. some will be more consistent when its more dull ..
is ur new ball with high glossy polish? cos the polish does make things harder sometimes.. -
when the hole is too big, thats where the insert tape comes in..Originally posted by enginboi:dun rush into asking the ball driller to make your thumb hole bigger, this is a very common problem when people buy new ball, they will tend to squeeze their thumb during ball delivery, which causes friction, and the end result is the thumb swell and get stuck. so try to practice confidence with your ball, dun grip or squeeze your thumb too tightly, relax your thumb. alternatively you can use high latex tape to tape the top half of your thumb(the side with thumbnail). Do not tape the whole thumb!!! that is not recommended. it will reduce friction and hence prevent swelling.
the reason we should not open the hole too big is this, when the hole gets bigger, we tend to grip even tighter for fear of dropping the ball, it will cause further swelling and in no time u will have to enlarge your thumb hole again
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its actually up to individuals.. some people like it just nice, some people like the hole to be big to have a cleaner release..
if one feels he/she is dropping the ball, use tape.. when the thumb enlarged, take away the tape.. its the best.. rather than making the hole just nice, and after 5-6 games, the thumb expanded and thats it..
thats what happened to me, after 5 games, i cant play anymore cos the hole is just nice, my thumb expanded and tats it.. till i got the hole bigger, and i realised my release is much better.. when i find myself dropping the ball, i just use the tape.. it works for me.. -
sanding is not advised during leisure play, for me, I feel sanding should be only done in competitions etc where you have no choice. Thats why people have different balls for different lanes condition.Originally posted by enginboi:that is not true, balls need not be seasoned. new ball come in factory finish surface. it is intended for vertain lane condition. however this surface can be changed according to wat you want the ball to do, if you want more hook you can sand it down, if you want less hook you can polish it. so it is always matching the surface with the lane you playing, not about seasoning the ball.
If you sand it too much, you are making the ball do something its not meant to do.. sanding takes away the surface too..
for my brunswick ball, it comes with a very high gloss polish, before it can react, i need to play it a few times to get the polish a little off.. now its reacting very well to the lane.. I wanted to sand in the beginning too. But i was advised the things I've just said.
The polish just came off without sanding or whatever.. hee.. but of cos, I got to polish it up if it starts hooking too much.. cos its supposed to go long.. just like with the "out of the box" polish, it goes too long..
I feel before sanding, one should adapt to the ball, play it a few times before deciding what to do.. thats what I'm saying about "seasoned".. it doesnt mean 100% only the ball physically, it meant you and the ball too..
oh ya, there is actually clean and dull , or neotec liquid sand paper which can help take the polish away.. if you dont wanna wait for the polish to come off itself..
from what i heard, sanding will make the life of a ball shorter as it takes away the surface of the ball.. so I'm advised by those people in another forum not to sand, but use another ball instead, or wait for the polish to come off.. -
Just thought I'll add to what's been said before:
Chris,
You're not wrong in advising for a slightly larger thumbhole in view of an expansion of the thumb due to bowling. In fact, its what most bowlers take for granted and ignore.
However, I'd like to say that the thumbhole issue is touchy. Firstly, there is a misconception that a larger thumbhole allows a "cleaner" release. This is not technically true - the best and smoothest releases come from a snug fit on the thumb. This means not too tight, and not too loose (based on experience, "snug" often feels too tight to players too used to having a thumbhole way too large for themselves).
The only reason why larger thumbholes have been mistaken to give cleaner releases is because the bowler is not playing correctly. A solid, consistent release will not stick in a snug, or even tight thumbhole. If you expand your thumbhole just to "help" your thumb exit the ball, you're giving up A LOT of leverage with inproper technique.
Second: Most balldrillers drill your thumbhole the way its meant to be. It's always tight because,
1) Immediately after drilling/sanding, the friction makes the thumb insert expand, thus restricting the space within.
2) They drill it to err on the side of caution - if you find it too snug, extra sanding can expand it, but not the reverse.
Just keep in mind that everyone's thumb expands differently over a series of games. Those with bad releases will obviously see their thumbs swell over even two games. So always go with your own experience on how to cater for your own thumb.
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Originally posted by harmzuay:
yeah. ur explanation is much clearer than mine.. hee.. thanks for making this much clearer..
Just thought I'll add to what's been said before:
Chris,
You're not wrong in advising for a slightly larger thumbhole in view of an expansion of the thumb due to bowling. In fact, its what most bowlers take for granted and ignore.
However, I'd like to say that the thumbhole issue is touchy. Firstly, there is a misconception that a larger thumbhole allows a "cleaner" release. This is not technically true - the best and smoothest releases come from a snug fit on the thumb. This means not too tight, and not too loose (based on experience, "snug" often feels too tight to players too used to having a thumbhole way too large for themselves).
The only reason why larger thumbholes have been mistaken to give cleaner releases is because the bowler is not playing correctly. A solid, consistent release will not stick in a snug, or even tight thumbhole. If you expand your thumbhole just to "help" your thumb exit the ball, you're giving up A LOT of leverage with inproper technique.
Second: Most balldrillers drill your thumbhole the way its meant to be. It's always tight because,
1) Immediately after drilling/sanding, the friction makes the thumb insert expand, thus restricting the space within.
2) They drill it to err on the side of caution - if you find it too snug, extra sanding can expand it, but not the reverse.
Just keep in mind that everyone's thumb expands differently over a series of games. Those with bad releases will obviously see their thumbs swell over even two games. So always go with [b]your own experience on how to cater for your own thumb. [/b]
As what you said, diff pple expand differently.. in fact, some pple thumb shrink after playing.. the driller kept saying my thumb will shrink after playing, tats why he made it smaller, but for me.. mine expand! haha..
about the release, I definately need a bigger hole, cos after the 5 games, i can hear the sound of the air when I put in and out of the thumb hole.. just like a air tight container. I have to use force to take my thumb out.. When i threw, the ball struck on my thumb and results in a late release.. haha.. tats why I made it bigger, then use the insert tape to make it just nice.. -
its weird that i say hello, but no one wants to reply.. but when there's things to argue.. there's so many reply.. haha..
now, at least I know there's lots of bowlers around.. just tat they dont wanna reply.. haha..
actually, those who know should help by saying out.. not until someone said something wrong then start to pinpoint..
actually, its becos no one wants to help, thats why I just reply with what i found out from other forums..
from harmzuay, i actually can have a clearer and better knowledge on the balls.. hee.. its what forums are for right??
everyone keeps quiet.. forum seems so dead.. then less and less pple will come.. singapore dont even have a bowling forum of its own.. its so hard to find people to ask.. I have to go forum in US to ask about stuff.. so sad..
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hee, but in the end i guess critics sometimes do help oso lah...
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Now i'm a critic??!?
Man... to think I used to be a moderator...
Ok, I am not taking it seriously. just pulling all your legs.
Seriously, though:
Chris,
I think that from the forum's tracker you can see that a lot of people actually viewed your post. The main reason here is that both this and the S.I.M Bowling Forums (also here in SGforums) were formed by a group of passionate bowlers - read: us - when we were back in school.
Unfortunately, when all of us graduated, no younger batches arrived to take up the slack, so the result is very many bowlers who are still very interested in the forums/game, but have no time from work to post or read as regularly as before.
We've had some really staunch and committed people join us (finding out about us more by chance than anything, like yourself) over the years, but they too, have commitments that require attention.
Perhaps you know other people who might want to join us. Just spread the word. This forum does need a new "batch" of bowling nuts to keep the fire burning.
But don't worry - like superheros - we're always here. Watching. -
Originally posted by harmzuay:
ya thats right. opening thumb hole is just a temporary solution. We always recommend the right technique, which is to force yourself not to grip the ball, even thou it takes alot of confidence and a proper thumb fit, not one that is loose. however the use of the insert tape is a good methid too. i just want to stress that opening the hole does not always solve the problem, and it is a irreversible action, so we should not recommend one to enlarge just because of thumb swelling
Just thought I'll add to what's been said before:
Chris,
You're not wrong in advising for a slightly larger thumbhole in view of an expansion of the thumb due to bowling. In fact, its what most bowlers take for granted and ignore.
However, I'd like to say that the thumbhole issue is touchy. Firstly, there is a misconception that a larger thumbhole allows a "cleaner" release. This is not technically true - the best and smoothest releases come from a snug fit on the thumb. This means not too tight, and not too loose (based on experience, "snug" often feels too tight to players too used to having a thumbhole way too large for themselves).
The only reason why larger thumbholes have been mistaken to give cleaner releases is because the bowler is not playing correctly. A solid, consistent release will not stick in a snug, or even tight thumbhole. If you expand your thumbhole just to "help" your thumb exit the ball, you're giving up A LOT of leverage with inproper technique.
Second: Most balldrillers drill your thumbhole the way its meant to be. It's always tight because,
1) Immediately after drilling/sanding, the friction makes the thumb insert expand, thus restricting the space within.
2) They drill it to err on the side of caution - if you find it too snug, extra sanding can expand it, but not the reverse.
Just keep in mind that everyone's thumb expands differently over a series of games. Those with bad releases will obviously see their thumbs swell over even two games. So always go with [b]your own experience on how to cater for your own thumb. [/b] -
ya you r right in a way, professional players have an arsenal of balls for different lane conditions. however i dun think your concept of sanding is correct. Anyway coverstock is pretty thick, when you sand the ball, you are really justtaking very very little surface away. You may have heard alot of things from other forums, but that does not mean wat they say is correct, visit any bowling website like ebonite or brunswick, and they will always recommend that you may alter the surface to suit your needs, this fact is official, a fact from the very people that manufactures the ball. sanding will never shorten a ball's life. But anyway, a performance ball lifespan is only about 200 games. As we bowl more and more with the ball, the ball surface will keep changing, so you can either supervise the ball reaction, or simply just adapt to the changing ball reaction, which most leisure bowler's doOriginally posted by Chris10:sanding is not advised during leisure play, for me, I feel sanding should be only done in competitions etc where you have no choice. Thats why people have different balls for different lanes condition.
If you sand it too much, you are making the ball do something its not meant to do.. sanding takes away the surface too..
for my brunswick ball, it comes with a very high gloss polish, before it can react, i need to play it a few times to get the polish a little off.. now its reacting very well to the lane.. I wanted to sand in the beginning too. But i was advised the things I've just said.
The polish just came off without sanding or whatever.. hee.. but of cos, I got to polish it up if it starts hooking too much.. cos its supposed to go long.. just like with the "out of the box" polish, it goes too long..
I feel before sanding, one should adapt to the ball, play it a few times before deciding what to do.. thats what I'm saying about "seasoned".. it doesnt mean 100% only the ball physically, it meant you and the ball too..
oh ya, there is actually clean and dull , or neotec liquid sand paper which can help take the polish away.. if you dont wanna wait for the polish to come off itself..
from what i heard, sanding will make the life of a ball shorter as it takes away the surface of the ball.. so I'm advised by those people in another forum not to sand, but use another ball instead, or wait for the polish to come off.. -
actually i m thinking of starting a bowling forum for singapore, where it is for every bowler in singapore. more friendly in that sense i guess. dun get me wrong, i not saying this forum is not good, but there are people who dun feel comfortable to post here as afterall, this forum is for team fos. A universal bowling forum will invite more bowling enthusias to take part!! wat u guys think?Originally posted by Chris10:its weird that i say hello, but no one wants to reply.. but when there's things to argue.. there's so many reply.. haha..
now, at least I know there's lots of bowlers around.. just tat they dont wanna reply.. haha..
actually, those who know should help by saying out.. not until someone said something wrong then start to pinpoint..
actually, its becos no one wants to help, thats why I just reply with what i found out from other forums..
from harmzuay, i actually can have a clearer and better knowledge on the balls.. hee.. its what forums are for right??
everyone keeps quiet.. forum seems so dead.. then less and less pple will come.. singapore dont even have a bowling forum of its own.. its so hard to find people to ask.. I have to go forum in US to ask about stuff.. so sad.. -
haha.. hey.. sorry if I made it seems like I'm pointing the finger at you.. but I'm really not..Originally posted by harmzuay:Now i'm a critic??!?
Man... to think I used to be a moderator...
Ok, I am not taking it seriously. just pulling all your legs.
Seriously, though:
Chris,
I think that from the forum's tracker you can see that a lot of people actually viewed your post. The main reason here is that both this and the S.I.M Bowling Forums (also here in SGforums) were formed by a group of passionate bowlers - read: us - when we were back in school.
Unfortunately, when all of us graduated, no younger batches arrived to take up the slack, so the result is very many bowlers who are still very interested in the forums/game, but have no time from work to post or read as regularly as before.
We've had some really staunch and committed people join us (finding out about us more by chance than anything, like yourself) over the years, but they too, have commitments that require attention.
Perhaps you know other people who might want to join us. Just spread the word. This forum does need a new "batch" of bowling nuts to keep the fire burning.
But don't worry - like superheros - we're always here. Watching.
about spreading the word, hmm.. i dont have a circle of friends who play bowling.. thats what I came to forum looking for ..
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of cos, I'll fully support it!! cos I'm the one who made so much noise about forums.. haha..Originally posted by enginboi:actually i m thinking of starting a bowling forum for singapore, where it is for every bowler in singapore. more friendly in that sense i guess. dun get me wrong, i not saying this forum is not good, but there are people who dun feel comfortable to post here as afterall, this forum is for team fos. A universal bowling forum will invite more bowling enthusias to take part!! wat u guys think? -
Ya, can someone roll the ball, but just a word of caution, I had tried that and not very successful, there are ppl who will try to destroy it.
Perhaps Bowling is a very individual sport/game and almost everyone can't seems to agree with each other in some area, or perhaps due to misinterpreation of mssg. discussions can turned out to be some arguement.
Its sad but, its true.
It takes a big big heart, tons of passion and open mind to keep things going.
Good Luck and I show my support. -
A bowling forum is a good idea. But its not easy to get a faithful, knowledgable and mature audience. That's the main reason why the group of us stick to these forums.
We migrated from SIM/UOL forums when the group graduated and set up this forum as the league team's forum. Here, we've mostly met one another in regular bowling tourneys/gatherings and we know that most advice or opinions expressed here are of certain value.
When you set up a forum, drop a thread here. I can't speak for the rest, but i'll do my best to support you. -
Hi guys, i have started a new forum called "Singapore Bowling"
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=forum_display&forum_id=2307
Hope you guys can show your support for this first bowling forum for all singapore bowlers. Post any questions, interesting bowling topics or sell your equipment there!! i have no idea how successful this bowling forum can get. So really need help from guys like you all!!