About Zenist

• An Eternal Now

  5 Mar 11, 10:35

  Received this PM from someone I won't say who, but think it has valid points.

  
  

  You don't have to believe me, but you can check it out yourself because there's a chronology to it.

  Zenist stopped mentioning MJK since last weekend.  All of this week, he just offered some opinions here and there, but already very much toned down.

  It was only until somebody re-opened the Pandora's box by telling him what will happen to him if he continues to bad-mouth MJK, by saying:

  "boils and sores around bodies

  skin no longer radiate

  bad breath

  loss of lots of friendship and opportunity as protector of dharma left you

   I am not cursing you , but its stated in the sutra . you should be well aware of it ."

  ... then he started talking about it again yesterday.  Who wouldn't be upset if someone curses them like that (yet disqualify and say they are not cursing)?  Yet another member of the forum ridiculed Zenist when he was merely asking for clearer instructions to get to a shop in Fortune Center.

  Truth is, he didn't mention MJK since last weekend.  Even though yes, he probably hasn't changed his viewpoint about MJK, but he had already toned down and talked on a more general level. And actually, you probably don't know this, but Zenist's idea of wrong views not only refers to MJK's views on world religions.  He's also questioning why MJK tells his followers not to see the doctor (because medicines are poisonous), but instead chant to get healing.

  I'm not Zenist's friend in real life nor even online, so I'm not defending him out of loyalty.  I just feel that if you want to persuade a person to have a less extreme view, then to rebuke him (not you, the other forum members) is hardly the right method.  Where's the compassion and spirit of charity? 

  OK, I leave it up to here.  I don't wish to offend anyone.  There aren't many Buddhist forums around and I do wish to have a healthy, friendly environment in which to continue learning from "older" Buddhists.

  cheers.

• Dawnfirstlight

  5 Mar 11, 12:26

  Yeah, agree. We are all future "citizens of Pureland", 佛第�, let's discuss in peace and make this a healthy, friendly forum for us to further our knowledge in Buddhism ���上更进一步.

• Zenist69

  5 Mar 11, 12:39

  Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

  Received this PM from someone I won't say who, but think it has valid points.

  
  

  You don't have to believe me, but you can check it out yourself because there's a chronology to it.

  Zenist stopped mentioning MJK since last weekend.  All of this week, he just offered some opinions here and there, but already very much toned down.

  It was only until somebody re-opened the Pandora's box by telling him what will happen to him if he continues to bad-mouth MJK, by saying:

  "boils and sores around bodies

  skin no longer radiate

  bad breath

  loss of lots of friendship and opportunity as protector of dharma left you

   I am not cursing you , but its stated in the sutra . you should be well aware of it ."

  ... then he started talking about it again yesterday.  Who wouldn't be upset if someone curses them like that (yet disqualify and say they are not cursing)?  Yet another member of the forum ridiculed Zenist when he was merely asking for clearer instructions to get to a shop in Fortune Center.

  Truth is, he didn't mention MJK since last weekend.  Even though yes, he probably hasn't changed his viewpoint about MJK, but he had already toned down and talked on a more general level. And actually, you probably don't know this, but Zenist's idea of wrong views not only refers to MJK's views on world religions.  He's also questioning why MJK tells his followers not to see the doctor (because medicines are poisonous), but instead chant to get healing.

  I'm not Zenist's friend in real life nor even online, so I'm not defending him out of loyalty.  I just feel that if you want to persuade a person to have a less extreme view, then to rebuke him (not you, the other forum members) is hardly the right method.  Where's the compassion and spirit of charity? 

  OK, I leave it up to here.  I don't wish to offend anyone.  There aren't many Buddhist forums around and I do wish to have a healthy, friendly environment in which to continue learning from "older" Buddhists.

  cheers.

  Hmm... My view extreme meh?? Never mind... lets just move on.

• 2009novice

  5 Mar 11, 15:37

  Relearn & practise Right Speech

• Wiser

  5 Mar 11, 18:24

  Ridiculed Zenist?

  who will want to ridicule somebody if the person talks sense?

  By repeatingly quoting Di Zi Kui and ridiculing MJK, should not this Zenist be ridiculed in return for his extreme views ?

   If a buddhist speak up for monk MJK, he will start to assume this person follows MJK, then he start wacking the forummer. 

  Even when a shop displays the books of MJK, he also start to wack.  When the post is just to recommend a shop to take free buddhist materials. Everything with MJK, any person speak up for MJK, Zenist start to wack .

  This is extreme. And dangerous and shows a mental obsession of his disorder mind.

   

   

   

   

• Wiser

  5 Mar 11, 18:27

  Zenist has never being friendly in his post here. He even call forummer gassho ...which we know what that stands for.

   

  If he doesn't start being friendly here and just harp on one extreme viewpoint , , he deserves to be treated in the same way.

• Zenist69

  6 Mar 11, 13:27

  Originally posted by Wiser:

  Zenist has never being friendly in his post here. He even call forummer gassho ...which we know what that stands for.

   

  If he doesn't start being friendly here and just harp on one extreme viewpoint , , he deserves to be treated in the same way.

  Originally posted by Wiser:

  Ridiculed Zenist?

  who will want to ridicule somebody if the person talks sense?

  By repeatingly quoting Di Zi Kui and ridiculing MJK, should not this Zenist be ridiculed in return for his extreme views ?

   If a buddhist speak up for monk MJK, he will start to assume this person follows MJK, then he start wacking the forummer. 

  Even when a shop displays the books of MJK, he also start to wack.  When the post is just to recommend a shop to take free buddhist materials. Everything with MJK, any person speak up for MJK, Zenist start to wack .

  This is extreme. And dangerous and shows a mental obsession of his disorder mind.

   

   

   

   

   

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• Wiser

  6 Mar 11, 15:45

  zenist this is a forum for discussing buddhism in a objective manner, it is not your personal forum to attack Jing Kong shifu or to attack forummers who do not agreed with your extreme viewpoint.

  Your manner of discussion is more of whacking the forummer as long as you think it has anything to do with Jing Kong shifu. You are a fanatic , not a buddhist.

   

• Wiser

  6 Mar 11, 15:51

  for the bookshop, you have found it . You can always open your mouth to ask around why it is closed.  

   Why don't you use your mouth for practical purpose instead of badmouthing others on a forum?

• Zenist69

  6 Mar 11, 16:00

  Originally posted by Wiser:

  zenist this is a forum for discussing buddhism in a objective manner, it is not your personal forum to attack Jing Kong shifu or to attack forummers who do not agreed with your extreme viewpoint.

  Your manner of discussion is more of whacking the forummer as long as you think it has anything to do with Jing Kong shifu. You are a fanatic , not a buddhist.

   

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• Zenist69

  6 Mar 11, 16:03

  Originally posted by Wiser:

  for the bookshop, you have found it . You can always open your mouth to ask around why it is closed.  

   Why don't you use your mouth for practical purpose instead of badmouthing others on a forum?

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• An Eternal Now

  6 Mar 11, 16:21

  I actually think Zenist have some points and it is ok to voice out his opinions. However he has over emphasized it by saying it repeatedly.

  If I have a point to make, I'll make it once, short, and sharp.

• Wiser

  6 Mar 11, 16:26

  whether he has a point or not, he should not be using it to attack participating forummers in a disgusting personal manner.

• Zenist69

  6 Mar 11, 16:30

  Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

  I actually think Zenist have some points and it is ok to voice out his opinions. However he has over emphasized it by saying it repeatedly.

  If I have a point to make, I'll make it once, short, and sharp.

  The thing is, bear in mind the reply from MJK camp which had prompted the ongoing so call voicing out of my opinion. (And also some threads on the issue been locked up, and I bor bian have to start another thread to get to the bottom of the issue...) The MJK camp keep on finding excuses, thats why the whole thing just turn out to be so long winded. If they didn't come up with all kind of excuses, the issue would have settled long time ago.

  I apologize for my unskillful communication. I should have go ruthlessly straightforward, and the issue would have ended earlier. But its only until recently, then I buckle up and be as straightforward, and as blunt and to the point, instead of get carried away, sidetracked and tangle up with unnecessary debate. My apology.

• Zenist69

  6 Mar 11, 16:32

  Originally posted by Wiser:

  whether he has a point or not, he should not be using it to attack participating forummers in a disgusting personal manner.

  I did not attack participating forumers in a disgusting personal matter. U and some of the MJK supporters did.

• Wiser

  6 Mar 11, 16:47

  what MJK camp ? what MJK supporters ? you are making it very political and warlike.

   

  This is not wisdom and not Buddhism.

   

   

• Zenist69

  6 Mar 11, 17:07

  Originally posted by Wiser:

  what MJK camp ? what MJK supporters ? you are making it very political and warlike.

   

  This is not wisdom and not Buddhism.

   

   

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• realization

  6 Mar 11, 17:09

  Originally posted by Zenist69:

  The thing is, bear in mind the reply from MJK camp which had prompted the ongoing so call voicing out of my opinion. (And also some threads on the issue been locked up, and I bor bian have to start another thread to get to the bottom of the issue...) The MJK camp keep on finding excuses, thats why the whole thing just turn out to be so long winded. If they didn't come up with all kind of excuses, the issue would have settled long time ago.

  I apologize for my unskillful communication. I should have go ruthlessly straightforward, and the issue would have ended earlier. But its only until recently, then I buckle up and be as straightforward, and as blunt and to the point, instead of get carried away, sidetracked and tangle up with unnecessary debate. My apology.

   

  Skilful communication includes knowing when to stop talking.
  
  By now, you've had ample chance to air your views, so there's no longer any issue about the locking of threads.  You can continue to push your point of view another ten thousand times and if others don't agree, they simply won't.
  
  
  中肯的�解。 I'm done with my persuasion.

• Zenist69

  6 Mar 11, 17:19

  Originally posted by realization:

   

  Skilful communication includes knowing when to stop talking.
  
  By now, you've had ample chance to air your views, so there's no longer any issue about the locking of threads.  You can continue to push your point of view another ten thousand times and if others don't agree, they simply won't.
  
  
  中肯的�解。 I'm done with my persuasion.

  好啦，你è¦�我就躺下，给wiser ‘own time own target’，自由扫射？没问题。我就这里ä¸�å†�说了就是。

• Weychin

  6 Mar 11, 18:02

  Please let it go!

  Hello Zenist69, you have created negative emotions around yourself, 

  affecting others to react in a negative manner.

  Raising doubts about any issue is not a problem. You can always

  post videos and direct quotation of any doubtful practice in whole.

  
  

  However, you lack objectivity.

  Please let it go!

  
  

  If I want to say anything about you, I do it in your presence, giving 

  you a chance to rebut me. I do not make sweeping or accuse a 

  person or a group, without giving the accused the benefit of the doubt.

  
  

  This is a fundamental in being an honorable person.

  Anybody is free to rebut me on this point.

  Please let it go!

  
  

  You have no wish to really to engage anybody in meaningful manner

  on your pet peeve. You only wish to a result, demonization and 

  castigation of anything related to MJK.

  
  

  I desisted a rebuttal when you switched to using mandarin to make 

  your case, maybe then, you don't feel so hot and bothered. 

  Please let it go!

  
  

  Hope you have realised that anybody can play you like  

  a clown by pushing the MJK button.

  Please let it go!

  
  

  I really hoped you cool down a bit and learn  to engage 

  yourself in skillful manner. Unfortunately, you have created a vicious

  cycle where you are currently unable to extricate yourself. 

  Please let it go!

  
  

  Do you feel happy? And do you wish to feel happy?

  Do you also wish others to be happy?

  Please let it go!

  
  

  There are others I know whotruly have doubts about MJK, however,

  in this negative atmosphere. It is very difficult for any to comment

  without taking an adversarial position. you have clouded the issue

  with negative emotions.  These people cannot air their views with

  being accused of damning MJK.

  Please let it go!

  
  

  Please move on to more beneficial practice.!

  Please let it go!

  
  

  I sincerely hope any happy readers not let negative emotions affect 

  them when dealing Zenist69. Like how the Buddha imposed the 

  brahmadanda on Channa, his charioteer. 

  For those who have arisen negative emotions, also

  Please let it go!

  
  

   

  Please transfer merits of goodwilland loving kindness  to Zenist69! 

    

• sghappy

  7 Mar 11, 17:11

  Zenist69 is  not a bad guy.

  He is a good buddhist. He points out things that are valid

  But Zenist69 you must remember not to attack a ordained person.

  That will bring a lot of bad merits to you.

  There must be reasons why jing kong shifu did what he did.

  I am sure that he knew he will be attacked by putting  non-buddhist teaching into

  buddhism.

  He is sad that morals is down in this dharma ending age.

  But still we must respect him as the next patriarch of pureland sect

   

   

   

   

   

   

• MiddleWay87

  8 Mar 11, 01:33

  As practising Buddhists, we should learnt to let go, and not bear grudges. Everyone has Buddha Nature.

  :)

  _/|\_

  Welcome back to the forums with open hands