How do i overcome 'lust' thoughts?
-
My method is to visualize the object of my lust in fifty years time. Instead of seeing the curvy smooth form of a beautiful young women, I will see a wrinkled saggy body, riddled with pains and illnesses... Guaranteed stopper to any lustful thoughts! Plus, this technique also reminds me of impermanence.
-
BR, thats a good method, although i am skeptical about its effectiveness when she is right in front of you, saying and doing all the right things which get you juices going, can you still visualize?Originally posted by Beyond Religion:My method is to visualize the object of my lust in fifty years time. Instead of seeing the curvy smooth form of a beautiful young women, I will see a wrinkled saggy body, riddled with pains and illnesses... Guaranteed stopper to any lustful thoughts! Plus, this technique also reminds me of impermanence. -
Well, my method works if I harbour lustful thoughts for a women, but to be honest, I haven't been put through a situation where some women deliberately tries to seduce me. So to be frank, I don't know if such a method will work under this circumstance.Originally posted by Xprobe:BR, thats a good method, although i am skeptical about its effectiveness when she is right in front of you, saying and doing all the right things which get you juices going, can you still visualize?
In the situation of a deliberate seduction, I may have to use another method... Think of my wife! If I allow myself to be seduced by a women, I will never again be able to look my wife in the eyes and tell her I love her, and I will never be able to enjoy my wife's tender love (these kind of things means alot to me). -
Waste of time... Just might as well go for a lobotomy....Originally posted by Beyond Religion:Well, my method works if I harbour lustful thoughts for a women, but to be honest, I haven't been put through a situation where some women deliberately tries to seduce me. So to be frank, I don't know if such a method will work under this circumstance.
In the situation of a deliberate seduction, I may have to use another method... Think of my wife! If I allow myself to be seduced by a women, I will never again be able to look my wife in the eyes and tell her I love her, and I will never be able to enjoy my wife's tender love (these kind of things means alot to me). -
1) It is not a waste of time because the main purpose of eradicating the fetter of sexual attraction is not just to eradicate the symptoms of it, but to remove the fundamental fetter and mental defilement of it, and thereby attain liberation.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Waste of time... Just might as well go for a lobotomy....
2) For obvious reasons it is no good to harbour thoughts of adultery (means someone outside your partner).
3) Nobody wants to do lobotomy, secondly it's not feasible, thirdly its dangerous. -
It is a waste of time because the only perfect prevention from having lust is to remove portions of the human brain which controls sexual thoughts. There is no such thing as removing the fetter without removing the cause which is the human brain.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:1) It is not a waste of time because the main purpose of eradicating the fetter of sexual attraction is not just to eradicate the symptoms of it, but to remove the fundamental fetter and mental defilement of it, and thereby attain liberation.
2) For obvious reasons it is no good to harbour thoughts of adultery (means someone outside your partner).
3) Nobody wants to do lobotomy, secondly it's not feasible, thirdly its dangerous. -
thus it is not the technique that is important, it is the insight of why u are reacting to certain external karma as well as the truth of the matter, isnt it?Originally posted by Beyond Religion:Well, my method works if I harbour lustful thoughts for a women, but to be honest, I haven't been put through a situation where some women deliberately tries to seduce me. So to be frank, I don't know if such a method will work under this circumstance.
In the situation of a deliberate seduction, I may have to use another method... Think of my wife! If I allow myself to be seduced by a women, I will never again be able to look my wife in the eyes and tell her I love her, and I will never be able to enjoy my wife's tender love (these kind of things means alot to me). -
Agree, the fundermental fetter and mental defilement of it can be removed. Lobotomy is not a perfect as it does not completely eradicate the problem. And there is no such surgery to remove part of the brain that controls sexual desires. Even if the portion of the brain is identified, it will be difficult to remove with great risk on the patient.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:1) It is not a waste of time because the main purpose of eradicating the fetter of sexual attraction is not just to eradicate the symptoms of it, but to remove the fundamental fetter and mental defilement of it, and thereby attain liberation.
2) For obvious reasons it is no good to harbour thoughts of adultery (means someone outside your partner).
3) Nobody wants to do lobotomy, secondly it's not feasible, thirdly its dangerous. -
Yes, but technique as a tool of implementation also has a role to play. For example, a habitual wife-beater knows that his actions are wrong, and that everytime he hits his wife he will feel bad afterwards and regret his deeds. But at the moment of his rage he cannot control his temper.Originally posted by Xprobe:thus it is not the technique that is important, it is the insight of why u are reacting to certain external karma as well as the truth of the matter, isnt it?
He will have to use certain technique of cultivation (eg minefulness and loving-kindness meditation) to subject his actions to his will. -
what programs the brain?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:It is a waste of time because the only perfect prevention from having lust is to remove portions of the human brain which controls sexual thoughts. There is no such thing as removing the fetter without removing the cause which is the human brain. -
There is such a surgery to remove human sexual desire but it also removes much of the human character with it. Lobotomy completely eradicates the problem from the root cause which is the intrinsic human character. Lobotomy technically becomes an all or nothing deal which does involve great risks but very much the greater reward in preventing lust. In other words, what AEN is suggesting is not a perfect prevention from having lust.Originally posted by oldkid:Agree, the fundermental fetter and mental defilement of it can be removed. Lobotomy is not a perfect as it does not completely eradicate the problem. And there is no such surgery to remove part of the brain that controls sexual desires. Even if the portion of the brain is identified, it will be difficult to remove with great risk on the patient. -
Naturally, the human brain can be said as a self-propagating algorightm.Originally posted by Xprobe:what programs the brain?
-
But are you sure that cultivation techniques will work everytime and any time?Originally posted by Beyond Religion:Yes, but technique as a tool of implementation also has a role to play. For example, a habitual wife-beater knows that his actions are wrong, and that everytime he hits his wife he will feel bad afterwards and regret his deeds. But at the moment of his rage he cannot control his temper.
He will have to use certain technique of cultivation (eg minefulness and loving-kindness meditation) to subject his actions to his will. -
as a self-propagating algorightm, it can be guided to propagte away from greed-lust, cant it? no need to employ a crude method of physical removalOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Naturally, the human brain can be said as a self-propagating algorightm. -
uh-ha...we are getting to the root of the matter, what determines the effectiveness of cultivation?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:But are you sure that cultivation techniques will work everytime and any time? -
Sure, if you can remove the human instincts pre-programmed into the human brain too.Originally posted by Xprobe:as a self-propagating algorightm, it can be guided to propagte away from greed-lust, cant it? no need to employ a crude method of physical removal -
Wrong, the root should be the hardware, which is the human brain.Originally posted by Xprobe:uh-ha...we are getting to the root of the matter, what determines the effectiveness of cultivation? -
Hardware is just a condition, it can't function without electricity. When your heart stops beating then the brain is just as good as nothing, because there is no consciousness. Consciousness is the 'electricity'.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Wrong, the root should be the hardware, which is the human brain.
In reality, there is no particular source of one's being, there is only the 12 interdependent links of origination. When that ceases through wisdom (ignorance cease, thus all ceases as interdependent ceasing), all sufferings and ignorance ceases. -
Wisdom doesn't remove ignorance, it just enlightens one about the presence of ignorance thus suffering will not cease.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Hardware is just a condition, it can't function without electricity. When your heart stops beating then the brain is just as good as nothing, because there is no consciousness. Consciousness is the 'electricity'.
In reality, there is no particular source of one's being, there is only the 12 interdependent links of origination. When that ceases through wisdom (ignorance cease, thus all ceases as interdependent ceasing), all sufferings and ignorance ceases.
And lastly, consciousness doesn't control the heart or else the heart would have stopped beating when you are sleeping. -
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Suffering completely ceases.
Wisdom doesn't remove ignorance, it just enlightens one about the presence of ignorance thus suffering will not cease.And lastly, consciousness doesn't control the heart or else the heart would have stopped beating when you are sleeping.
I'm talking about brain. -
1. Enlightenment ceases suffering.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Wisdom doesn't remove ignorance, it just enlightens one about the presence of ignorance thus suffering will not cease.
And lastly, consciousness doesn't control the heart or else the heart
would have stopped beating when you are sleeping.
2. the 6th consciousness cease but the 7th keeps going or else you wont have dreams. -
HahahahaOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Wisdom doesn't remove ignorance, it just enlightens one about the presence of ignorance thus suffering will not cease.
And lastly, consciousness doesn't control the heart or else the heart would have stopped beating when you are sleeping. I think I should dedicate more merits to you. May you gain insight in conventional truths. -
If I were to tell you dreams are actually your brain chemicals and synapses rewiring itself so you could be better refresh, would you believe me?Originally posted by Xprobe:1. Enlightenment ceases suffering.
2. the 6th consciousness cease but the 7th keeps going or else you wont have dreams. -
Sorry, but I am quoting from conventional truths.Originally posted by oldkid:Hahahaha I think I should dedicate more merits to you. May you gain insight in conventional truths.