When will it be the End of the World?
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No probOriginally posted by happyharvest:
Oh... ha ha.. more sincere mah..
anyway thanks
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
To add.
Hi, Buddhism/Buddha does not require blind devotion nor any worship. The teachings of Buddha is to attain Enlightenment.
Although Buddha or an Arhant still has karma - he still falls ill occasionally (although Buddha's karmic result is much lighter than us'), and so on, just like any other being in the world would have, however he [b]no longer creates any more karma after his Enlightenment.[/b]
Since a cause is like a karma seed that was planted in the past. Then when the seed encounter conditions of water/sunlight/soil, it starts to reap or take effect. So we have created many good and bad seeds in the uncountable past. When these seeds met up with conditions of the 3 posions (greed, hatred and folly), they starts to reap. So the whole idea of Buddhism is not to stop the past karma but to sever the present 3 posions, as when there's no conditions(yuan) for the seeds, the seeds CANNOT grow. Just like you stop watering the seeds, how can the seed grow? Get the theory? We don't say we delete the past seeds/cause, as Buddha also cannot.
Because Buddha is All-knowing which mean sever ignorance, He is able to manipulated His conditions, in order to help sentient beings understand.
Falling ill is just a way of telling people that 'Hey, the body is not lasting. ' But actually, Buddha already severed ignorance of attachment when He attain Enlightenment. So no matter what He do, He's selfless, hence had already ended His suffering rebirth.
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Dun add on liao lar... ha ha .... wait I still need to thanks again. [kidding]Originally posted by sinweiy:To add.
Since a cause is like a karma seed that was planted in the past. Then when the seed encounter conditions of water/sunlight/soil, it starts to reap or take effect. So we have created many good and bad seeds in the uncountable past. When these seeds met up with conditions of the 3 posions (greed, hatred and folly), they starts to reap. So the whole idea of Buddhism is not to stop the past karma but to sever the present 3 posions, as when there's no conditions(yuan) for the seeds, the seeds CANNOT grow. Just like you stop watering the seeds, how can the seed grow? Get the theory? We don't say we delete the past seeds/cause, as Buddha also cannot.
Because Buddha is All-knowing which mean sever ignorance, He is able to manipulated His conditions, in order to help sentient beings understand.
Falling ill is just a way of telling people that 'Hey, the body is not lasting. ' But actually, Buddha already severed ignorance of attachment when He attain Enlightenment. So no matter what He do, He's selfless, hence had already ended His suffering rebirth.
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ermm... thanks.
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Yes, it is impossible to remove past karmic cause. As I have mentioned before, I have brought someone (who have some psychic powers) to my dharma teacher before... who wishes to "burn away his karma" and even wishes to be completely freed from all karma by this life. My dharma teacher reminded him that it is impossible to do so - and pointed out that even Buddha had to suffer many karmic consequeunces over his 500 lives as a Bodhisattva in the Jataka Tales, and even as Buddha himself. The Buddhist way is by honest practise, purification of the mind etc.Originally posted by sinweiy:To add.
Since a cause is like a karma seed that was planted in the past. Then when the seed encounter conditions of water/sunlight/soil, it starts to reap or take effect. So we have created many good and bad seeds in the uncountable past. When these seeds met up with conditions of the 3 posions (greed, hatred and folly), they starts to reap. So the whole idea of Buddhism is not to stop the past karma but to sever the present 3 posions, as when there's no conditions(yuan) for the seeds, the seeds CANNOT grow. Just like you stop watering the seeds, how can the seed grow? Get the theory? We don't say we delete the past seeds/cause, as Buddha also cannot.
Because Buddha is All-knowing which mean sever ignorance, He is able to manipulated His conditions, in order to help sentient beings understand.
Falling ill is just a way of telling people that 'Hey, the body is not lasting. ' But actually, Buddha already severed ignorance of attachment when He attain Enlightenment. So no matter what He do, He's selfless, hence had already ended His suffering rebirth.
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On the other hand however it is also not to be mistaken that there is no ways to purify past karmas. One of the purification practise that my Master Shen Kai, and also your Master Chin Kung advocated is Repentance. In fact Repentance is advocated in all traditions in Buddhism. For my dharma teacher, apart from daily sitting meditation routine, she spends 45 minutes in doing 108 repentance (verse and bowing).
http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/karma.html#8
THE FOUR POWERS OF PURIFICATION
The purification practices found within Buddhism are not unlike the practices applied in many other religions. The most essential mental factor that one requires is sincerity or honesty with oneself. When one wants to purify past negative karma, one has to do some action with the correct motivation.
This is summarised in the following Four Powers of Purification:
1. Power of the Object: One should practice thinking of all sentient beings one may have hurt. Traditionally, one remembers all sentient beings and the Three Jewels of Refuge (Buddha, Dharma and Sangha), by generating compassion for all sentient beings and taking refuge.
2. Power of Regret: This should not be senseless guilt or self-recrimination, which are said to be useless emotional torture. What is intended here is to examine oneself and one's actions and to recognise that negative actions done in the past were very unwise.
3. Power of Promise: As a logical consequence of the above, one should promise not to repeat these negative actions. It is good if one can promise to avoid a negative behaviour for a specific time, or at least promise that one will put effort in avoiding repetition. Not being honest at this stage makes the practice useless or even harmful to oneself.
4. Power of Practice: Basically any positive action with a good motivation can be used as practice. Traditionally in Buddhism, one can practice e.g. making prostrations (throwing oneself to the floor - as a means to destroy pride), making offerings (to counteract greed), reading Buddhist texts (to counteract ignorance and negative thoughts), reciting mantras etc.
It is often explained that one needs to clear a field by purifying it from rocks and weeds, then planting seeds by study and meditation, giving water and fertiliser by doing positive actions, and automatically new harvest will grow. -
Haha don't worry, just sit back and enjoy reading, don't have to keep thanking each of usOriginally posted by happyharvest:Dun add on liao lar... ha ha .... wait I still need to thanks again. [kidding]
ermm... thanks. When you feel like replying, making a statement, or asking a question, do feel free to do so.
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The Repentance Verse (after saying these verses, bow down once):
All the evil karma that I have committed in the past,
Arising from my aeons of greed, anger and ignorance,
Committed by my body, speech and mind,
Now I repent before the Buddha.
I speak the Chinese version though.
The one who can confess,
this one is intelligent,
but the one who knows repentance,
this one is wise. - MSK -
Repentance is indeed very powerful.
This is similar to a house which has been boarded up for ten thousand years. If the windows are suddenly opened to let the sunlight in, all darkness immediately dissipates. However long the period of darkness may have been, how can it fail to disappear?
btw ignorance is the root of hatred and greed. If one can uproot the ignorance root(ie Having Right View and Understanding), hatred and greed like the stem or leaves will just wither away.
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Merry Meet Happyharvest,Originally posted by happyharvest:ermm..... thanks
Why thank me?
That is so kind of you for nothing i ever did. You should really thank the Moderators in here, they have been very kind & helpful also. Thanks anyway, nice to see you around.
Blessed Be,
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Originally posted by OCEANOS:
Happyharvest meet Merry,
[b]Merry Meet Happyharvest,
Why thank me? That is so kind of you for nothing i ever did. You should really thank the Moderators in here, they have been very kind & helpful also. Thanks anyway, nice to see you around.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos [/b]
I thank you for praising Lau for his wise sayings which is implying me.
Ya, thanks all the mod here.
Have a nice day.
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Yes An Eternal Now.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Haha don't worry, just sit back and enjoy reading, don't have to keep thanking each of us When you feel like replying, making a statement, or asking a question, do feel free to do so.
Discussion is the purpose of the forum! -
Merry Meet Happyharvest,Originally posted by happyharvest:Happyharvest meet Merry,
I thank you for praising Lau for his wise sayings which is implying me.
Ya, thanks all the mod here.
Have a nice day.
Regards
Meanings? To each his own. Perhaps you misunderstood what i meant. Maybe its not meant for you anyway. Perhaps then you will understand that there is no need to thank me. The Meaning behind his reply is obviously none of my concern. Its never the same as mine in the first place. Have a happy day!
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
Happyharvest Meet Merry,
[b]Merry Meet Happyharvest,
Meanings? To each his own. Perhaps you misunderstood what i meant. Maybe its not meant for you anyway. Perhaps then you will understand that there is no need to thank me. The Meaning behind his reply is obviously none of my concern. Its never the same as mine in the first place. Have a happy day!
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b]
hmm......
maybe lar maybe lar .....
Anyway, I still have to thank you for replying me in a polite way. And so now happyharvest meet Merry and Merry meet happyharvest. Now we know each other existence by chatting a bit. Still have to thank you for not ignoring me.
Have a goodnite sleep.
God bless. -
Merry Meet Happyharvest,Originally posted by happyharvest:Happyharvest Meet Merry,
hmm...... maybe lar maybe lar .....
Anyway, I still have to thank you for replying me in a polite way. And so now happyharvest meet Merry and Merry meet happyharvest. Now we know each other existence by chatting a bit. Still have to thank you for not ignoring me.
Have a goodnite sleep.
God bless.
Well at least i am sincere in my reply. I have nothing between my lines for you anyway. Ha ha you been very polite too.
You rest well too.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
Yup yup.
[b]Merry Meet Happyharvest,
Well at least i am sincere in my reply. I have nothing between my lines for you anyway. Ha ha you been very polite too.
You rest well too.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b] -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
[b]Merry Meet Yunhaier,
Well said crystal child. All don't matter, why do one seek for answers? Maybe they are lost. Each person thinks by himself and whether he puts his thoughts to action or not, he is bound to leave traces in his mind be it more or less. His speech and action will also leave imprints in other people's minds depending on how they take to them, how receptive they are. These impressions, whether they be good or bad will accumulate to be a force which will trigger future action. The work & law of cause & effect known as "Karma"? Life and death are also governed by the law of cause and effect. All sentient beings do not live just one life but continues on like running water in a stream, in endless time, with an endless past and an endless future.The law of cause & effect is not restricted to just extension of Time but transcend all Realms of Existence. Emancipation of one's own mind from attachment isn't that what everyone here should try to achieve rather than seeking answer that is obviously nothing that ever-exist, Delusion aplenty in this realm of existence. Don't you think so?
Blessed Be,
Oceanos [/b]
Ah, lost is the word. Intelligence and wisdom are two separate qualities that differentiate a wise man from the common folks. One can be intelligently deluded without the existence of wisdom, as the latter characteristic allow man to transgress the boundary set by society and explore their self actualization. To understand whatever 'mission or goals' they came to Earth for.
In simple, Karma explains Good begets Good and Evil for Evil. But the relationship between Good and Evil is such that without either, the other would cease to exist. Our roles, missions, goals in life depends on which side we choose to play for... depends on how our self actualization and what fuel man to work for. (Hilter plays for Evil - his role (self actualization) on Earth, but as a result, the Goodness that follow after his Evil works - (inclusive of Singapore's realization that the British isn't dependable upon crisis like these and work herself to independance... and to where we are now), is in fact a karmic cycle that requires both Good and Evil to function.
P.S: Hurricane Katrina lay waste across its path, but Man stood firm and rebuilt what it have destroyed. The glory of Good could only be shown through the work of Evil. And Evil is neutralised through the effect of Good - essential for either side to repay karmic debts and gain cosmic learning. In CloUdiSm, Seventh Law of Love states: Love brings up everything unlike itself. And this so applicable here.
Cheers -
Yes, therefore Ignorance is fundamental root of Samsara. Without ignorance, then 12 interdependant links of origination of Samsara will break, without ignorance, one is liberated.Originally posted by sinweiy:Repentance is indeed very powerful.
This is similar to a house which has been boarded up for ten thousand years. If the windows are suddenly opened to let the sunlight in, all darkness immediately dissipates. However long the period of darkness may have been, how can it fail to disappear?
btw ignorance is the root of hatred and greed. If one can uproot the ignorance root(ie Having Right View and Understanding), hatred and greed like the stem or leaves will just wither away.
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Originally posted by Yunhaier:
Yes, 'good' and 'bad' is a cycle. Something good can be a start to something bad... and likewise, something bad can be a start to something good. These are dualities and cannot exist without each other.. but a Buddhist also eventually trascends this duality. Ah, lost is the word. Intelligence and wisdom are two separate qualities that differentiate a wise man from the common folks. One can be intelligently deluded without the existence of wisdom, as the latter characteristic allow man to transgress the boundary set by society and explore their self actualization. To understand whatever 'mission or goals' they came to Earth for.
In simple, Karma explains Good begets Good and Evil for Evil. But the relationship between Good and Evil is such that without either, the other would cease to exist. Our roles, missions, goals in life depends on which side we choose to play for... depends on how our self actualization and what fuel man to work for. (Hilter plays for Evil - his role (self actualization) on Earth, but as a result, the Goodness that follow after his Evil works - (inclusive of Singapore's realization that the British isn't dependable upon crisis like these and work herself to independance... and to where we are now), is in fact a karmic cycle that requires both Good and Evil to function.
P.S: Hurricane Katrina lay waste across its path, but Man stood firm and rebuilt what it have destroyed. The glory of Good could only be shown through the work of Evil. And Evil is neutralised through the effect of Good - essential for either side to repay karmic debts and gain cosmic learning. In CloUdiSm, Seventh Law of Love states: [b]Love brings up everything unlike itself. And this so applicable here.
Cheers[/b]
http://www.bpf.org/tsangha/loy-goodevil.html
There are different ways to understand that emptying, but as a Zen Buddhist I am reminded of the 13th century Japanese Zen master Dogen, who wrote something that resonates in much the same way: ﾒTo study Buddhism is to study yourself; to study yourself is to forget yourself; to forget yourself is to be awakened and realize your intimacy with all things.ﾓ The fruit of the Buddhist path, the end of a life organized around fear, is to lose and empty yourself by forgetting yourself, which is also to find your true self: not an alienated self threatened by the world and trying to secure itself in defense against those anxieties, but a nondual self that knows itself to be an expression or a manifestation of the world.
This is not reachable by ordinary intelligence by through wisdom. Which is why, apart from doing good/avoiding evil, Buddhism, unlike other religions, stresses on the part of the purification of the mind.
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Wonder what would a world full of 'Hitlers' be like? Would the original Hitler still be considered 'evil'?Originally posted by Yunhaier:In simple, Karma explains Good begets Good and Evil for Evil. But the relationship between Good and Evil is such that without either, the other would cease to exist. Our roles, missions, goals in life depends on which side we choose to play for... depends on how our self actualization and what fuel man to work for. (Hilter plays for Evil - his role (self actualization) on Earth, but as a result, the Goodness that follow after his Evil works - (inclusive of Singapore's realization that the British isn't dependable upon crisis like these and work herself to independance... and to where we are now), is in fact a karmic cycle that requires both Good and Evil to function. -
Samyutta Nikaya XII.44
Loka Sutta
The World
Translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.
For free distribution only.
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Dwelling at Savatthi. There the Blessed One addressed the monks: "I will teach you the origination of the world & the ending of the world. Listen & pay close attention. I will speak."
"As you say, lord," the monks responded to the Blessed One.
The Blessed One said: "And what is the origination of the world? Dependent on the eye & forms there arises eye-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. From craving as a requisite condition comes clinging/sustenance. From clinging/sustenance as a requisite condition comes becoming. From becoming as a requisite condition comes birth. From birth as a requisite condition, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair come into play. This is the origination of the world.
"Dependent on the ear & sounds there arises ear-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the nose & aromas there arises nose-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the tongue & flavors there arises tongue-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the body & tactile sensations there arises body-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the intellect & mental qualities there arises intellect-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. From craving as a requisite condition comes clinging/sustenance. From clinging/sustenance as a requisite condition comes becoming. From becoming as a requisite condition comes birth. From birth as a requisite condition, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair come into play. This is the origination of the world.
"And what is the ending of the world? Dependent on the eye & forms there arises eye-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. Now, from the remainderless cessation & fading away of that very craving comes the cessation of clinging/sustenance. From the cessation of clinging/sustenance comes the cessation of becoming. From the cessation of becoming comes the cessation of birth. From the cessation of birth, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair all cease. Such is the cessation of this entire mass of stress & suffering. This is the ending of the world.
"Dependent on the ear & sounds there arises ear-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the nose & aromas there arises nose-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the tongue & flavors there arises tongue-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the body & tactile sensations there arises body-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact... Dependent on the intellect & mental qualities there arises intellect-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. Now, from the remainderless cessation & fading away of that very craving comes the cessation of clinging/sustenance. From the cessation of clinging/sustenance comes the cessation of becoming. From the cessation of becoming comes the cessation of birth. From the cessation of birth, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair all cease. Such is the cessation of this entire mass of stress & suffering. This is the ending of the world." http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/sutta/samyutta/sn12-044.html
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