'Foreign' Worker...
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Originally posted by Zweiz:
the idea that british/americans/australians speak(type) better english is a myth (colonization mentality?)
source: various online games, chats & forums over the past 15 years
Zweiz my friend, u sure? let me CHALLENGE u. go to the US msn.com forums now and check. now, compare to what u see in here and tell me, WHATS THE DIFFERENCE? for one, the americans dun say la this la that, or factual grammatical errors like "then will..." or use words like "kena" , face it. singaporeans r prob the world's comedians in the english speaking world. my source? this forum and the American MSN forum itself. those examples, my friend is good enough. this is not a myth. its reality my fren, reality. even our ministers cant talk proper english!
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Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:
Zweiz my friend, u sure? let me CHALLENGE u. go to the US msn.com forums now and check. now, compare to what u see in here and tell me, WHATS THE DIFFERENCE? for one, the americans dun say la this la that, or factual grammatical errors like "then will..." or use words like "kena" , face it. singaporeans r prob the world's comedians in the english speaking world. my source? this forum and the American MSN forum itself. those examples, my friend is good enough. this is not a myth. its reality my fren, reality. even our ministers cant talk proper english!
does ts say la this la that? does ts say then will, kana, etc?
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Hey you guys are sucks, man! typical Singaporean: very indifferent and smarty-pen plus arrogant. he is seeking for a job, seriously, oh God what happen to you all??? Not helping at all! Sucks comments! Esp about English: Singaporean English has been jokes everywhere haha! His English is much better anyway..
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there was a time cambridge even wanted to remove singapore from the o-lvls cos our english just wasnt up to scratch. in england, they pretend they dun understand us, in US, most bussinessmen request an intepreter when video-conferencing with us 0.0
if ure still so adamant abt 'ang mos' having terrible english, go quote some 'terrible' quote from a western forum will ya?
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Originally posted by Casopia-maplesea:
there was a time cambridge even wanted to remove singapore from the o-lvls cos our english just wasnt up to scratch. in england, they pretend they dun understand us, in US, most bussinessmen request an intepreter when video-conferencing with us 0.0
if ure still so adamant abt 'ang mos' having terrible english, go quote some 'terrible' quote from a western forum will ya?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Originally posted by Zweiz:
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
wow, that was so horrible i cant understand a word of it ^^
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Originally posted by Genie99a:
I'm sure he will do better than the Chinese PRC and Indian Nationals. He is young and is equipped with a degree from England. Many Singaporeans would drool at the chance to study overseas.
As such they are a vital labour source that Singapore lacks.
The government has been improving wages to attract these foreign talent.
Live life to the fullest....welcome to Singapore.
Kind Regards
Genie
Thanks for the kind words, I'm sure I'll be living life to the fullest over the next year or so.
However I'm not entirely sure on the "Singapore welcomes foreign talents" statement. I'm sure a few posters above will brusquely disagree with that.
I've heard that from a few of my relatives' friends that a lot of companies think twice about hiring, due to the increased cost of wage for 'foreign talents'.
Likeyou is right in saying that I can't really apply for PR due to a lack of $1.9mil.SGD to invest or years of experience to fall back on.
I'll heed elindra's advice and send resumes to any company regardless of their stance on employment, I've received advice on a similar vein from a good friend.
To Zweiz, I'd like to say that from personal experience, there is a higher probability of a Dutch national using grammatically correct and well structured English, than the average Englishman. I guess its down to the education system and the idea that as you're English, you don't have to learn how to use it properly. However there are always exceptions to the rule for any language. An example being Cantonese in Hong Kong is quite often poor when compared to Shenzhen, having to rely on interspersed English.
Kuch2 Ranee, thanks for the intervention, I was beginning to think that all Singaporeans seem brusque to the point of wanton rudeness.
Am applying for a 'Long Term Pass for Foreigners Holding Foreign Issued Certificates of Education', this apparently includes a EPEC which is a 'eligibility to be hired certificate'. Apparently it makes employment easier.
Thanks for the help and I welcome any further suggestions or insights.
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"foreign talent" is just a freaking label till the foreigner proves he is talent. being foreign doesn't equate to talent. singaporeans and foreigners alike must understand and see this clearly
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if being low-cost means talent, then singapore has got a huge problem and the "foreign talent" policy is definitely flawed
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Originally posted by Ackbar_Morran:
Thanks for the kind words, I'm sure I'll be living life to the fullest over the next year or so.
However I'm not entirely sure on the "Singapore welcomes foreign talents" statement. I'm sure a few posters above will brusquely disagree with that.
I've heard that from a few of my relatives' friends that a lot of companies think twice about hiring, due to the increased cost of wage for 'foreign talents'.
Likeyou is right in saying that I can't really apply for PR due to a lack of $1.9mil.SGD to invest or years of experience to fall back on.
I'll heed elindra's advice and send resumes to any company regardless of their stance on employment, I've received advice on a similar vein from a good friend.
To Zweiz, I'd like to say that from personal experience, there is a higher probability of a Dutch national using grammatically correct and well structured English, than the average Englishman. I guess its down to the education system and the idea that as you're English, you don't have to learn how to use it properly. However there are always exceptions to the rule for any language. An example being Cantonese in Hong Kong is quite often poor when compared to Shenzhen, having to rely on interspersed English.
Kuch2 Ranee, thanks for the intervention, I was beginning to think that all Singaporeans seem brusque to the point of wanton rudeness.
Am applying for a 'Long Term Pass for Foreigners Holding Foreign Issued Certificates of Education', this apparently includes a EPEC which is a 'eligibility to be hired certificate'. Apparently it makes employment easier.
Thanks for the help and I welcome any further suggestions or insights.
Ackbar_Morran - may i know what is the special skill you hold which the singaporean counterpart lacks in the job(s) you wish to apply for ?
i am just asking out of genuine intention to understand more, so your sharing will be appreciated.
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Originally posted by ahtiong:
if being low-cost means talent, then singapore has got a huge problem and the "foreign talent" policy is definitely flawed
I know, hence the referral as 'foreign talent'.
Honestly I'm pretty sure the 'foreign talent' policy is flawed, but I guess Singapore has also benefited from some facets of it. 'Talent' for one, the fact is a lot of talented people are striving to come to Singapore. However the other side is quite evident, almost unethical offers of eye-raising low wages. In that case you can't really blame the influx of 'foreign talent', but the weak-willed or immoral business owners who's heads are turned by these offers.
I agree that its insane to think that 'because we're foreign, we're talented' or 'because we're Singaporean those jobs are automatically ours'.
Last point, I'm definitely not working for a low wage/low-cost environ or if I do so, it's pocket money.
Nice insight. Any more?
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Originally posted by ahtiong:
Ackbar_Morran - may i know what is the special skill you hold which the singaporean counterpart lacks in the job(s) you wish to apply for ?
i am just asking out of genuine intention to understand more, so your sharing will be appreciated.
In 'international real-estate' I lived in the neighborhood they're trying to sell. Also have in-depth knowledge of the area. I guess when I'm talking to the client, it sounds more genuine coming from actual experience and tacit knowledge rather than memorising a brochure.
On insurance, I have some experience, especially in selling to the 'ang mo'. Honestly man, it's hard to sum up, but the people I met seemed quite enthusiastic. Who am I to refuse?
More tomorrow, gotta sleep.
p.s. heard something about kneejerk reactions from the PAP cause of the impending general elections? Not that I have a stance, but I'd like to be more well informed.
Thanks
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Originally posted by Ackbar_Morran:
To Zweiz, I'd like to say that from personal experience, there is a higher probability of a Dutch national using grammatically correct and well structured English, than the average Englishman.
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Originally posted by Ackbar_Morran:Kuch2 Ranee, thanks for the intervention, I was beginning to think that all Singaporeans seem brusque to the point of wanton rudeness.
and you judge all singaporeans based on one poster's doubts about your nationality? -
Singaporean = people with mental illness, rudeness. See how much people jump down from the flat or end up become crazy, haha!
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Originally posted by Ackbar_Morran:
In 'international real-estate' I lived in the neighborhood they're trying to sell. Also have in-depth knowledge of the area. I guess when I'm talking to the client, it sounds more genuine coming from actual experience and tacit knowledge rather than memorising a brochure.
On insurance, I have some experience, especially in selling to the 'ang mo'. Honestly man, it's hard to sum up, but the people I met seemed quite enthusiastic. Who am I to refuse?
More tomorrow, gotta sleep.
p.s. heard something about kneejerk reactions from the PAP cause of the impending general elections? Not that I have a stance, but I'd like to be more well informed.
Thanks
You sleep at 6:15pm?
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Originally posted by Zweiz:
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and you judge all singaporeans based on one poster's doubts about your nationality?While it's not quite right to make a blanket judgement, I can only view and analyse whats presented to me. In terms of the 'name' Ackbar Morran, being unBritish, wake up, it's the internet. I don't think I've ever used anything resembling my real name. Also on a side note, the fractured 'multi-cultural society' of England has resulted in Mohammed being the most common 1st name given to babies last year.
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Originally posted by βÎτά:
You sleep at 6:15pm?
I believe at the time of posting it was 1:46am in Singapore.
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Originally posted by Ackbar_Morran:
In terms of the 'name' Ackbar Morran, being unBritish, wake up, it's the internet. I don't think I've ever used anything resembling my real name.
funny. is that directed at me? because my first post in this thread was arguing for and not against you
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Originally posted by Zweiz:
funny. is that directed at me? because my first post in this thread was arguing for and not against you
No. My apologies if I was lazy. cba to link every individual post to reply to.
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hi Ackbar,
Just keep looking, i'm sure there'll be suitable jobs for u.
My wife came to Singapore almost 3 years ago (before I knew her) to seek employment here (She's indonesian Chinese), and after about 2 or 3 weeks she managed to get a job with a decent pay.
Perhaps mass sending of your resume might help.
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Yup, just try mass sending your resume because you never know.
I have a number of foreign friends working in Singapore and they are all getting good pay though they love to joke that they are really ‘cheap foreign workers’ -_-“ -
Originally posted by Ackbar_Morran:
I believe at the time of posting it was 1:46am in Singapore.
My mistake, I though you were still in the UK.
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Ackbar, just send the resume over, and in no time, you will rec' invitation to come down to spore for an interview. No hram trying out.