Pastor Rony BLASTS Buddhism
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god is unenlightened basically. god also have delusions, ignorance, craving, desires and anger. as long as you are not enlightened, you will have these behaviours in you.
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
The God as we all know was supposed to be the God of Fear but as people become more and more civilised this God thing has transformed into something else, getting reinvented into something better through the ages by worshippers.At the end of it I am happy,you are happy the house of worship makes money,God is happy so why all the fighting? In my opinion the problem lies with men trying to capitalize on religion for their own selfish means.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
god is unenlightened basically. god also have delusions, ignorance, craving, desires and anger. as long as you are not enlightened, you will have these behaviours in you.
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
The God as we all know was supposed to be the God of Fear but as people become more and more civilised this God thing has transformed into something else, getting reinvented into something better through the ages by worshippers.At the end of it I am happy,you are happy the house of worship makes money,God is happy so why all the fighting? In my opinion the problem lies with men trying to capitalize on religion for their own selfish means.
When were we ever "civilized"? Is a society living in huts less civilized than us, who lives in urban environment? What is "civilized"?
So you want a father of fear during your childhood than a father of love going by how you interpret the sudden change in this God's attitudes? Religions have never been about making money only when religions start becoming organized, greed crept in.
Have anyone wonder why Christianity and Islam are independent religions not branches of Judaism? Like how we have Protestants, Catholics, Sunni and Shia. Christianity started out as a Jewish sect.
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Regarding Pastor Rony Tan's theory that man live only a single life. Say if a new born baby dies half an hour after birth, does he goes to heaven or hell? If heaven, what merit has he accumulated? If hell, what sin has he committed? If neither, then where?
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when you have dogmas in the religion, there is nothing used to explain its rationale. only faith and unquestioned obeisance are required, rational thinking can be discarded, thank you very much.
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In reply to Rooney9, If just and only just faith and unquestionabled obeisance is the order of the day, then anybody can become Jesus or Buddha because to any questions thrown at them, they need only to say "just follow, no explaination is needed"
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that truth is subjective...never linear...somethings cannot be proven...a leap of faith carried us forward in some momentous crisis perhaps...
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In reply to Fcukpap, if truth is subjective, there did be a billion truths to one question because there are billions of people in this world. Everything happens for a reason and therefore there will be an answer to each and every question. If we just believe or follow by faith without questioning and seeking for answer, how can we become better and wiser in coping with crisis? My question about that baby is not difficult, any buddhist, toaist and other religions can easily answer it, why choose to evade?
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Originally posted by Lertio32:
Regarding Pastor Rony Tan’s theory that man live only a single life.
Say if a new born baby dies half an hour after birth, does he goes to heaven or hell?If heaven, what merit has he accumulated? If hell, what sin has he committed? If neither, then where?
According to Buddhism, the baby will be born in ghosts path unless someone chao du him (temples usually chao du all the babies who died young or being aborted), will he be reborn again. It is the baby's karma that he was short lived. Karma spreads over 3 lifes (ä¸‰ä¸–å› æžœï¼‰ã€‚To be born in ghosts path is very suffering because the shortest life span in ghosts path is 200 years old.
May be you can post this question in Wisdom Bliss. AEN will reply you in detail. I only know so much.
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Is it something like when born, then next min, died...due to the bad bad karma the baby accumulate? But baby look so innocent when born....
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Is it something like when born, then next min, died...due to the bad bad karma the baby accumulate? But baby look so innocent when born....
Yes, karma applies to everybody. I don't believe that God or any other higher beings have taken the baby away, as what you said the baby looks so innocent, no one is so cruel to let him dies. However, no one can escape karma (no one controls karma) which is the law of nature and can never go wrong and not bias.
I think the Christians here will not be happy to discuss about Law of Karma here. May be we shall discuss at Wisdom Bliss. CU
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
Yes, karma applies to everybody. I don't believe that God or any other higher beings have taken the baby away, as what you said the baby looks so innocent, no one is so cruel to let him dies. However, no one can escape karma (no one controls karma) which is the law of nature and can never go wrong and not bias.
I think the Christians here will not be happy to discuss about Law of Karma here. May be we shall discuss at Wisdom Bliss. CU
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
Yes, karma applies to everybody. I don't believe that God or any other higher beings have taken the baby away, as what you said the baby looks so innocent, no one is so cruel to let him dies. However, no one can escape karma (no one controls karma) which is the law of nature and can never go wrong and not bias.
I think the Christians here will not be happy to discuss about Law of Karma here. May be we shall discuss at Wisdom Bliss. CU
Last questions, heard when one dies, the next of kin usually say : Bo pian, time is up for him. He need to go. Bo pian...he already free man now. No suffering in the world....bo pianBut then, due to law of karma, one died still need to undergo punishment before being born again.
Sorry to hijack the thread.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
In christianity, the new born babies will go heavenChristianity also teach about Purgatory and Limbo, some Christians hold the view that unborn dead babies or new born babies who died go to limbo if I'm not wrong.
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Originally posted by RoyFang:
Christianity also teach about Purgatory and Limbo, some Christians hold the view that unborn dead babies or new born babies who died go to limbo if I'm not wrong.
Catholicism believes in purgatory. Christianity teaches grace of god, crucification of Christ to obtain salvation . What is limbo? -
If one can understand that Heaven and Hell are not specific places to go to, like Disneyland or House of Horrors, but is a 'state' of existence in the spiritual realm for self-reflection that people go to upon death, then there's no confusion or need for debate.
Whether it's effect of karma or judgement, whichever belief one chooses to go with, everyone goes through the same process. The effects experienced will be magnified many times and felt extremely strongly by the person during this 'state' in the spiritual realm. He/She will feel the effects of his/her deeds over the course of his/her latest lifetime, until he/she has learnt the gravity of his/her deeds. Hence, it'll feel like Heaven or Hell or simply peaceful, depending on how he/she led his/her life. Anyone who wishes to verify this, can try it for himself/herself. No amount of reading or debate can convince non-believers. :)
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Catholicism believes in purgatory. Christianity teaches grace of god, crucification of Christ to obtain salvation . What is limbo?Limbo is a speculative idea about the afterlife condition of those who die in original sin without being assigned to Hell of the damned meaning those who died before Jesus came to earth.
I had read more about Limbo, apparently there is the Limbo of the Fathers and the Limbo of Infants.
The latter is a hypothesis about the permanent status of the unbaptized who die in infancy, too young to have committed personal sins, but not having been freed from original sin.
I believe only Catholics believe in this (?) and limbo also exists in other religions like Islam and Zoroastrianism.
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Originally posted by RoyFang:
Limbo is a speculative idea about the afterlife condition of those who die in original sin without being assigned to Hell of the damned meaning those who died before Jesus came to earth.
I had read more about Limbo, apparently there is the Limbo of the Fathers and the Limbo of Infants.
The latter is a hypothesis about the permanent status of the unbaptized who die in infancy, too young to have committed personal sins, but not having been freed from original sin.
I believe only Catholics believe in this (?) and limbo also exists in other religions like Islam and Zoroastrianism.
I don't know about limbo. What I was told is babies die end up in heaven coz they are newly born, no sins found in them that is why can go up heaven.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
I don't know about limbo. What I was told is babies die end up in heaven coz they are newly born, no sins found in them that is why can go up heaven.
I think limbo is accept by some Catholics not all because the Roman Catholic Church has no doctrine on the fate of unbaptized infants.
Something to think about Christianity view on dead babies: If we have to bear the original sin of Adam & Eve and the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, then babies who bear the original sin and doesn't know of Jesus Christ, died before being baptized can they go to Heaven? Or is there an concept of reincarnation in Christianity thus babies were washed of the original sin too?
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Actually Pastor Rony is right.He shouldn't apologise.He should stand firm in his faith.Do you know that Buddhists cannot enter heaven?
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Originally posted by 1985ong:
Actually Pastor Rony is right.He shouldn't apologise.He should stand firm in his faith.Do you know that Buddhists cannot enter heaven?
Did Jesus teach you to condemn other religions?From the way you talk shows that your faith in God is shallow and does not practise what God wants you to do that is showing God's love to people.
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its ok, they are shallow, and as rony shows, he cant even stand firm in his 'faith'..and for a spiritual leader its a disgrace to be scolded by national authorities
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
Did Jesus teach you to condemn other religions?From the way you talk shows that your faith in God is shallow and does not practise what God wants you to do that is showing God's love to people.
Please use the King James Bible to clear your confusion in faith.Amen.And stop using your NIV bible. -
Originally posted by 1985ong:
Please use the King James Bible to clear your confusion in faith.Amen.And stop using your NIV bible.
YOU are in no position to tell anyone which version of bible to use.you will be held accountable by God for misinterpreting his Words./