Does God Exist??
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
hmm. ok, to put it simply, i find it hard to say "i can't provide you the answer", because i see it as losing the conversation. because every religious discussion or debate usually ends up with christians having to prove something.
"if you say God exist, prove it.", "if you say that homosexuality is bad for the society, prove it", "if you say we're going to hell, prove it".
the burden of proof usually falls on the chrsitian's shoulder, to say that he doesn't know the answer, or if he is unable to produce sufficient evidence, is as good as saying that the non believer is right, because of inductive reasoning.
what inductive reasoning?
its simply that if you make one statement, you got to prove it
i dont think its wad christians say per se, its rather the way they push it, making people coming up to challenge them, dont forget that muslims, jews and sikhs all believe in existence of god but were not pushed to prove it
like i said from beginning too, dun blame others for your failure to do something, look beyond it, maybe you will find out what you have done wrong
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Originally posted by laurence82:
what inductive reasoning?
its simply that if you make one statement, you got to prove it
i dont think its wad christians say per se, its rather the way they push it, making people coming up to challenge them, dont forget that muslims, jews and sikhs all believe in existence of god but were not pushed to prove it
like i said from beginning too, dun blame others for your failure to do something, look beyond it, maybe you will find out what you have done wrong
so that's why we pretty much don't bother to anymore?
and sometimes, you have people coming in here just to ask questions. if we think you're serious, we'll be serious, if we think you're just out to have fun, then of course we give bs answers.
seems alot easier that way.
like i said. people believe, because they want to believe, not because of proofs.
even if it's real, and plenty of evidence, it's not going to change anybody's mind. lol. so why is everyone asking for proofs if you know that it's not going to change your mind about it?
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i dont noe
i think most serious non believers come here and believers played around with them, mindfark if you call it...how's that?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
i dont noe
i think most serious non believers come here and believers played around with them, mindfark if you call it...how's that?
really? prove it - which posts show that there are serious non believers seeking answers and we were screwing around?
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
really? prove it - which posts show that there are serious non believers seeking answers and we were screwing around?
Not worth your intelligence debating with laurence he left his brain and conscience when brought to this world. Good for nothing until he find his common sense again. If ever. -
i'm making a point here when i ask him to prove that there is a case where there was a serious answer seeker, and we were screwing around.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
really? prove it - which posts show that there are serious non believers seeking answers and we were screwing around?
same thing
which non believers came here to play? you cant be making this statement without challenge or similar statements by non believers, right?
i dont think believers are on higher ground or saintly enuff to say they will give serious ans to serious believers or give bs answers when they think (which may not be the truth or excuse for avoidance) the non believers are playing
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Not worth your intelligence debating with laurence he left his brain and conscience when brought to this world. Good for nothing until he find his common sense again. If ever.
but it's God who 'brings us (all) into ths world'. no...?so...he created a defective person? or....?
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Not worth your intelligence debating with laurence he left his brain and conscience when brought to this world. Good for nothing until he find his common sense again. If ever.personal attacks again...sigh
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Originally posted by udontknowme:
but it's God who 'brings us (all) into ths world'. no...?so...he created a defective person? or....?
well, i am in god's image
pardon me while i go help look for god's brains too
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Originally posted by laurence82:
same thing
which non believers came here to play? you cant be making this statement without challenge or similar statements by non believers, right?
i dont think believers are on higher ground or saintly enuff to say they will give serious ans to serious believers or give bs answers when they think (which may not be the truth or excuse for avoidance) the non believers are playing
u're deflecting, and u didn't answer my question.
where, and when did you see a serious seeker and seen us screwing around?
are you able to produce this evidence?
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i'm not familiar with the bible. can someone please give me the quote bit about how one day everyone will be believers of God. or something like that...thanks
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
u didn't answer my question.
where, and when did you see a serious seeker and seen us screwing around?
are you able to produce this evidence?
well, apparently you made this statement first that believers give bs answers to non believers who played around
so shouldnt you be proving that there are non believers who played around, and to like what chin eng said, making him exasperated??
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
u're deflecting, and u didn't answer my question.
where, and when did you see a serious seeker and seen us screwing around?
are you able to produce this evidence?
i didnt deflect though apparently, because i am not the person who made such statements first
if you dont like mine, i am sure you dont like yours too because i am mirroring what u said
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Originally posted by udontknowme:
i'm not familiar with the bible. can someone please give me the quote bit about how one day everyone will be believers of God. or something like that...thanks
I think these verses
Romans 14:11 (New International Version)
11It is written:
" 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.' "[a]Philippians 2:9-11 (New International Version)
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
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Originally posted by laurence82:
i didnt deflect though apparently, because i am not the person who made such statements first
if you dont like mine, i am sure you dont like yours too because i am mirroring what u said
so you can't find any threads that there are serious seekers and we were fooling around? yes no?
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all in all, i believe jgho or other non believers have made serious attempts to engage the christians
i am sorry that people were exasperated to the point that they come up with the answers like if they think non believers are playing they will give bs answers, or like mine, no brainers
very regretable
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
so you can't find any threads that there are serious seekers and we were fooling around? yes no?
so you cant find any threads that non believers were fooling ard right?
yes or not?
dont avoid pls
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oh, u avoided the post where i try to use logic but instead quote the one below
hmmm
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eh...those verses didnt seem familiar.
anyhow, i'll get them from my sister when i get home, then post them up. got a few questions to ask.
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Originally posted by udontknowme:
eh...those verses didnt seem familiar.
anyhow, i'll get them from my sister when i get home, then post them up. got a few questions to ask.
they might think u are playing ard and give u bs answers...what would u do?
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Originally posted by laurence82:
all in all, i believe jgho or other non believers have made serious attempts to engage the christians
i am sorry that people were exasperated to the point that they come up with the answers like if they think non believers are playing they will give bs answers, or like mine, no brainers
very regretable
well, regretfully, it's only best if serious answer seekers find a church to seek their answers. it's definitely more productive
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
well, regretfully, it's only best if serious answer seekers find a church to seek their answers. it's definitely more productive
yeah, i think we should close down this forum too
thanks
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if they are catholic, i'll tell them to go to confession.
if they're not, i'll tell them to rejoice for believing in God for He has died for their sins and they are therefore 'saved'. and to keep on working to be better Christians.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
so you cant find any threads that non believers were fooling ard right?
yes or not?
dont avoid pls
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