Opinions of atheism
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I won't answer unnecessarily until you have cleared up your thoughts.Originally posted by stupidissmart:And why yes ? Obviusly u clearly avoid another point I have raisedJust above u just say tat thinking awareness etc comes from soul etc isn't it ? Why suddenly agree with the my point all along tat the brain is the center of all thinking ? Since u agree withthe above, why r u trying to prove all along ?
Don't be a kuku my friend, or you have proven that you indeed think with your dick.
I am usually very careful in how I reply. You did not say thinking or awareness comes from the soul. You said: "U believe tat consciousness, human consciousness and animal consciousness is tied to the soul. True or false ?"
I even do you a favour by bolding the operative word.
Tress don't think, but it is living well isn't it ? Thinking is not the whole point about living and u r just forcing a connection to it.
I told you liao .. the bible defines life slightly different from science. You don't have to use science to crush the bible. They are not incompatible.And why yes ? Obviusly u clearly avoid another point I have raised
I don't think I avoided any real question. Most of your ignorance about the soul/thinking/living issue stems from your ignorance about Scripture. I dont think I have to prove to you that science is wrong to prove myself right because I think they are compatible. -
I won't answer unnecessarily until you have cleared up your thoughts.
Then I doubt your sincerity in the debate since I have answer your queries systematically while u avoid all the main issue I had raised. U just do snipe at a single line while avoid the whole idea altogetherDon't be a kuku my friend, or you have proven that you indeed think with your dick.
Again u have proven yourself not to be sincere. Up till now u never stated your stand ? Why ? U ashamed of it ? Why don't u state your stand on thinking ? U just snipe then run and never dare to answer to the point. Wat r u trying to achieve ?
I am usually very careful in how I reply. You did not say thinking or awareness comes from the soul. You said: "U believe tat consciousness, human consciousness and animal consciousness is tied to the soul. True or false ?"
I even do you a favour by bolding the operative word.I told you liao .. the bible defines life slightly different from science. You don't have to use science to crush the bible. They are not incompatible.
U first say tat bible defines life differently from scinece, then u say tat they r not incompatible. All the while the argument is about "thinking", all the examples I have given is simply "thinking" as in scientific term. Then u pop up and argue about "living" and now saying "living" is "thinking" then ask people not to refer to "thinking" from the scientific term. Then u say I shouldn't say science and religion is not compatible. I only see cunning but not truth in here. U r skipping the topic now. R u showing sincerity in the discussion ?I don't think I avoided any real question. Most of your ignorance about the soul/thinking/living issue stems from your ignorance about Scripture. I dont think I have to prove to you that science is wrong to prove myself right because I think they are compatible.
Wat have u actually answer ? Why don't u state it out for me to see ? There is not a single question I asked tat were being answer. R there any question tat u have asked and I have not answered ? U r not even sincere in the debate. All I see is someone writing the wrong things and now trying to escape by simply doing personal attacks and giving vague replies. U only know how to give vague replies ? U only have a vague idea on wat is goign on ? -
Don't make it sound like you are so great. The fact is, I never really ask any query and you never reply anything systematically. So double whammy for you.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Then I doubt your sincerity in the debate since I have answer your queries systematically while u avoid all the main issue I had raised. U just do snipe at a single line while avoid the whole idea altogether
It was you who shoot all the questions. The most I did was to raise some points from Scripture and hope that you can look at Scripture more seriously in order to understand the issue.
Furthermore your replies reek of errors. For example I pointed out that your reply was contradicting when you asked me to "prove tat soul is not tied to thinking" HUH?Again u have proven yourself not to be sincere. Up till now u never stated your stand ? Why ? U ashamed of it ? Why don't u state your stand on thinking ? U just snipe then run and never dare to answer to the point. Wat r u trying to achieve ?
So you are saying you are sincere? If you are sincere, you wouldn't come out with some crap-s-h-i-t reply and later accuse me of lying. Let me reproduce it entirely:Originally posted by Icemoon:
Why .. dare not face the truth that your reply is crap-s-h-i-t ah?
I am usually very careful in how I reply. You did not say thinking or awareness comes from the soul. You said: "U believe tat consciousness, human consciousness and animal consciousness is tied to the soul. True or false ?"Wat have u actually answer ? Why don't u state it out for me to see ? There is not a single question I asked tat were being answer. R there any question tat u have asked and I have not answered ? U r not even sincere in the debate.
I think it is still not too late to realize that all the while you have been asking the wrong question.
Don't accuse my sincerity. I have diligently quoted you the supporting verses in Genesis (in Hebrew somemore), in the hope that you can re-look Scripture more seriously.
And why do I do that? Because soul is a biblical concept, and to understand it we have to look at what Scripture has to say about it. -
The bottom line is .. if you are too dense to understand the religious argument, then don't try to act smart and use your own scientific argument to demolish the religious argument.
Onegai shimasu! -
Don't make it sound like you are so great. The fact is, I never really ask any query and you never reply anything systematically. So double whammy for you.
yaba yaba yaba... again this post speaks of nothing but insincerity. U again never answer any questions posed. U again never made your stand and u again just resort to sniping of single lines, avoiding whole issues and make personal attacks. Is tat wat u can only do ? U r even worse than davidche. At least davidche has more sincerity than u in a discussion and not afraid of making his stand clear
It was you who shoot all the questions. The most I did was to raise some points from Scripture and hope that you can look at Scripture more seriously in order to understand the issue.
Furthermore your replies reek of errors. For example I pointed out that your reply was contradicting when you asked me to "prove tat soul is not tied to thinking" HUH?The bottom line is .. if you are too dense to understand the religious argument, then don't try to act smart and use your own scientific argument to demolish the religious argument.
Yup, another example of wat I said is true. U again never answer any questions posed. U again never made your stand and u again just resort to sniping of single lines, avoiding whole issues and make personal attacks. Your previous reply really show your character to the max ! U can say I am dense or stupid or anything u want in scolding me etc u know... because tat is all u know hwo to do Why don't we view the matter without resorting to personal attacks ? U couldn't do tat because u cannot handle it or u r too ashamed of wat u believe in ? Why don't we just handle the matter at hand instead of u running away and resort to barking because u r losing I am showing all my hand on the table while u r just running away and criticising one line or 2. U afraid of wat u believe will be tear to shreds ? U even beg for mercy at the end of the statement
Coward. -
Me avoiding whole issues?Originally posted by stupidissmart:yaba yaba yaba... again this post speaks of nothing but insincerity. U again never answer any questions posed. U again never made your stand and u again just resort to sniping of single lines, avoiding whole issues and make personal attacks.
I don't think so. The whole issue starts from the bible (if not where you think ben get the soul idea from?), so I'm trying to use the bible to explain to you. So I have gave answers, but you refuse to see only.Is tat wat u can only do ? U r even worse than davidche. At least davidche has more sincerity than u in a discussion and not afraid of making his stand clear
davidche .. someone has complimented you!
I am showing all my hand on the table while u r just running away and criticising one line or 2. U afraid of wat u believe will be tear to shreds ? U even beg for mercy at the end of the statement
Stop your nonsense.
Onegai Shimasu. -
Me avoiding whole issues?
Gave answer ? like living has everything to do with thinking and non-thinking is non-living ? I have ask back other questions and where do u hide the answers ? If wat the bible says is true, then we should not see certain phenomenons (which i have questioned) which is obvious to everyone. Why no answers to them ?
I don't think so. The whole issue starts from the bible (if not where you think ben get the soul idea from?), so I'm trying to use the bible to explain to you. So I have gave answers, but you refuse to see only.
In short I still maintain tat u did not make your stand, u did not answer any queries, u only snipe one line and not answer the whole idea in general and making personal attacks on people -
The biblical concept of living (c.f. nefesh chayah) is not detached from thinking. By thinking I mean a "creature" that has consciousness and free will etc.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Gave answer ? like living has everything to do with thinking and non-thinking is non-living ? I have ask back other questions and where do u hide the answers ? If wat the bible says is true, then we should not see certain phenomenons (which i have questioned) which is obvious to everyone. Why no answers to them ?
What phenomenons that contradict Scripture? -
The biblical concept of living (c.f. nefesh chayah) is not detached from thinking. By thinking I mean a "creature" that has consciousness and free will etc.
Okay, good. Seems like after 1 round we r off to a good beginning
What phenomenons that contradict Scripture?
I need to clarify your stand clearly first. Do u believe all "thinkings" r from the spirit and nothing but the spirit, or is there somewhere else ? -
Yay!! thx for the compliment!
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I think there is a need to distinguish the spirit from the soul heh.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Okay, good. Seems like after 1 round we r off to a good beginning
I need to clarify your stand clearly first. Do u believe all "thinkings" r from the spirit and nothing but the spirit, or is there somewhere else ?
No, I don't believe all thinking are from the soul or spirit and nothing but them. There are certainly some material processes involved, just ask any neurosurgeon.
I think when the term was first used in Genesis, it doesn't connotate the ghost in the machine kind of thing we read from philosophy. -
I think there is a need to distinguish the spirit from the soul heh.
So wat is the diff between the 2 ? One living and one thinking ?No, I don't believe all thinking are from the soul or spirit and nothing but them. There are certainly some material processes involved, just ask any neurosurgeon.
So u believe there r some other things involved and because of the term "neurosurgeon" used I assume u believe thinking require "material processes" with the brain. Am I right to say tat ?I think when the term was first used in Genesis, it doesn't connotate the ghost in the machine kind of thing we read from philosophy.
In the medieval past, people understand little and do not know brain is the "thinking" organ -
Icemoon, why bother with him. He has proven his reputation time and time again. He has also clearly shown where his intentions lie, twisting the words of others whether Christian or non-Christian to fit his whims.
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Icemoon, why bother with him. He has proven his reputation time and time again. He has also clearly shown where his intentions lie, twisting the words of others whether Christian or non-Christian to fit his whims.
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Icemoon, why bother with him. He has proven his reputation time and time again. He has also clearly shown where his intentions lie, twisting the words of others whether Christian or non-Christian to fit his whims.
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Icemoon, why bother with him. He has proven his reputation time and time again. He has also clearly shown where his intentions lie, twisting the words of others whether Christian or non-Christian to fit his whims.
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Very true, obviously not in it for objective discussion. So don't bother.Originally posted by Icemoon:I think you are just set on demolishing any biblical concept you come across. So when this soul/spirit issue comes up, you just attack it .. without any attempt to understand it. -
The general discussion of this thread was going rather ok until a certain individual came in. Choosing to make the discussion in his own context no matter how twisted that context may be.
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Originally posted by SumOne:
I can only try to talk him around.
[b]Icemoon, why bother with him. He has proven his reputation time and time again. He has also clearly shown where his intentions lie, twisting the words of others whether Christian or non-Christian to fit his whims.[/b]
But you can help pray for his salvation! -
Doesn't mean I won't speak out against him.Originally posted by Icemoon:I can only try to talk him around.
But you can help pray for his salvation! -
my sentiments exactly, which is why i have avoided any more "contact"... quite futile.....Originally posted by SumOne:The general discussion of this thread was going rather ok until a certain individual came in. Choosing to make the discussion in his own context no matter how twisted that context may be. -
There goes Christian Trek:Final Contact.
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I think I am a vulcan.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:There goes Christian Trek:Final Contact. -
back to topic?
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Beam me up.Originally posted by Chin Eng:I think I am a vulcan.