The gospel is not christian....
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Originally posted by vince69:
i dun think anyone could fault such a logic
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To conclude: In my humble personal opinion;
Our Heart Attitude towards God is more important than the things we wants to do for Him. Having a Right Attitude is more important than just doing the Right Thing.
cheers
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First time i heard of Christian terrorist groupsOriginally posted by ben1xy:this is what sometimes scares me and accounts for some of the Christian terrorist grps in the states -
yeah...got christian terror groups meh?Originally posted by laurence82:First time i heard of Christian terrorist groups -
Fundamentalist Christian Militia.... plenty of these in the red-neck parts of the US.Originally posted by laurence82:First time i heard of Christian terrorist groups -
But that's arguing backwards from history. At that time, the canon of the New Testament had not been defined, and there were considerable disagreements about the whole matter.Originally posted by Icemoon:but those oral instructions were biblical. -
The dangers of fundamentalism......Originally posted by Chin Eng:Fundamentalist Christian Militia.... plenty of these in the red-neck parts of the US. -
u juz need to track back to pre-1990, there were a lot. there still are i think, it's juz that they got over shadowed due to the prominence of other terrorist activitiesOriginally posted by laurence82:First time i heard of Christian terrorist groups
actually, i didn't know either... till 2 days ago, i sat in a class that a colleague was conducting abt terrorism, crusades and spanish inquisition. then h e went on to talk abt Christian terrorism. everyone was shocked. -
when i come back in december i pass to u the stuff my colleague handed out! very interesting !Originally posted by laoda99:yeah...got christian terror groups meh?
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We need to understand that the good US of A is a very large country and a large percentage of the population may not have left their home state, some not even their home town (I know some of these personally). Most of their view of the world are rather bias, and their brand of religion is an end result of generations of seclusion (plus a misconceive sense of superiority). No different from "Christians" are are also racists! As such there will be some who see themselves being called to arms against the authorities. Getting weapons is real easy there, remember?Originally posted by ben1xy:u juz need to track back to pre-1990, there were a lot. there still are i think, it's juz that they got over shadowed due to the prominence of other terrorist activities
actually, i didn't know either... till 2 days ago, i sat in a class that a colleague was conducting abt terrorism, crusades and spanish inquisition. then h e went on to talk abt Christian terrorism. everyone was shocked.
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Super easyOriginally posted by Chin Eng:We need to understand that the good US of A is a very large country and a large percentage of the population may not have left their home state, some not even their home town (I know some of these personally). Most of their view of the world are rather bias, and their brand of religion is an end result of generations of seclusion (plus a misconceive sense of superiority). No different from "Christians" are are also racists! As such there will be some who see themselves being called to arms against the authorities. Getting weapons is real easy there, remember?
If you go to the Military Nuts forum or chat with few overseas Singaporeans here, they posted pics of themselves trying a range of weapons..
like this
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=193435 -
Paul's epistles were in wide circulation => most of the NT was in wide circulation.Originally posted by ben1xy:practises like confession and the Eucharist were wide-spread then. doesn't that seem a tad Catholic?
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the depiction reminds me of those Christian churches that did not allow Negro to enter or worship in in the past. sometimes i wonder how a msg of love can get misconstrued to such an extentOriginally posted by Chin Eng:We need to understand that the good US of A is a very large country and a large percentage of the population may not have left their home state, some not even their home town (I know some of these personally). Most of their view of the world are rather bias, and their brand of religion is an end result of generations of seclusion (plus a misconceive sense of superiority). No different from "Christians" are are also racists! As such there will be some who see themselves being called to arms against the authorities. Getting weapons is real easy there, remember? -
So how were the disagreements resolved?Originally posted by ObiterDicta:But that's arguing backwards from history. At that time, the canon of the New Testament had not been defined, and there were considerable disagreements about the whole matter. -
i am not disagreeing with u. wad i am saying is that the way Christianity is practised then, is definitely different then how it is practised in a protestant mannerOriginally posted by Icemoon:Paul's epistles were in wide circulation => most of the NT was in wide circulation. -
look .. the facts from Scripture are very clear.Originally posted by ben1xy:practises like confession and the Eucharist were wide-spread then. doesn't that seem a tad Catholic?
Peter was supposed to preach to the Jews .. but he failed big time.
Paul was supposed to preach to the gentiles .. and he won big time.
Paul arrogantly said he owed nothing to others .. and he scorned the pillars of the Jerusalem Church.
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where got different? didn't the bereans check the Scripture diligently too?Originally posted by ben1xy:i am not disagreeing with u. wad i am saying is that the way Christianity is practised then, is definitely different then how it is practised in a protestant manner
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no need lah,... My first trip to their supermarket (Walmart) and I got shocked, they actually sell Shot guns, hunting rifles, semi-autos their, complete with ammos over the counter there.Originally posted by laurence82:Super easy
If you go to the Military Nuts forum or chat with few overseas Singaporeans here, they posted pics of themselves trying a range of weapons..
like this
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=193435 -
Walmart.....Originally posted by vince69:no need lah,... My first trip to their supermarket (Walmart) and I got shocked, they actually sell Shot guns, hunting rifles, semi-autos their, complete with ammos over the counter there.
Are they cheap?
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wasn't this was Paul said? Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" (1 Cor. 10:16). So when we receive Communion, we actually participate in the body and blood of Christ, not just eat symbols of them. Paul also said, "Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. . . . For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). "To answer for the body and blood" of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine "unworthily" be so serious? PaulÂ’s comment makes sense only if the bread and wine became the real body and blood of Christ.Originally posted by Icemoon:look .. the facts from Scripture are very clear.
Peter was supposed to preach to the Jews .. but he failed big time.
Paul was supposed to preach to the gentiles .. and he won big time.
Paul arrogantly said he owed nothing to others .. and he scorned the pillars of the Jerusalem Church.
The Catholic argument has been torn to shreads.
Didn't he advocate the Eucharist the Way Catholics practises it today? so how can a person claim that modern Christian practices are not dissimilar to the early Christians
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Paul referred to the church in 1 Tim; that the Church is "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15). This was the church that became now knowned as the Catholic or if for arguement sake the even the Orthodox, since only these 2 churches are truly apostolic in nature.Originally posted by Icemoon:where got different? didn't the bereans check the Scripture diligently too?
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Originally posted by vince69:no need lah,... My first trip to their supermarket (Walmart) and I got shocked, they actually sell Shot guns, hunting rifles, semi-autos their, complete with ammos over the counter there.
at walmart?
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But that's arguing backwards from history. At that time, the Catholic or Orthodox Church had not been formed.Originally posted by ben1xy:Paul referred to the church in 1 Tim; that the Church is "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15). This was the church that became now knowned as the Catholic or if for arguement sake the even the Orthodox, since only these 2 churches are truly apostolic in nature.
Furthermore I don't see how you can link the church then (as understood by the people then) with the apostolic Church later. -
YES, beside the camping equipments.Originally posted by ben1xy: at walmart?
lol
not sure, is USD200 a piece (on average), consider cheap?Originally posted by laurence82:Walmart.....
Are they cheap? -
i can't see ur point, u can't see mine. fair enough.Originally posted by Icemoon:But that's arguing backwards from history. At that time, the Catholic or Orthodox Church had not been formed.
Furthermore I don't see how you can link the church then (as understood by the people then) with the apostolic Church later.
we're tackling from different viewpoints. my stance is that in important issues beside salvation through our Lord, Early Christians practised the Eucharist and it's debateab; depending on wad sources u are looking at, but confession as well. Which is why i am stating that the early Christians are more similar to Catholic than Protestants.
i stil can't see your viewpoint to be honest. Anyway, no biggie, i have no issues with the Protestant way of thinking. -
i dunno abt the weapons... but to kill someone with the weapons at a cost price of 200 bucks... life is cheapOriginally posted by vince69:not sure, is USD200 a piece (on average), consider cheap?