The gospel is not christian....
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can i let the Bible talk to you ..your tryin to put us under lawOriginally posted by breytonhartge:and so you are saying that the law is abolished? which verse?
having abolished in the flesh the hostility, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man of the two, making peace; (Eph 2:15)
So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
(Gal. 2:23-24)
"...........For you are not under law, but under grace." (Romans 6:14) you talking about growth? That was Paul's topic in this verse?
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I think we have been telling Brey this all the time....Originally posted by Chin Eng:It is very clear in the NT, in the Pauline letters, that the Gentiles are not subjected to the laws of the Jews. In fact, Paul goes as far as to scold the Jewish leaders who insist on putting on the heavy bonds Jewish laws onto the Gentile believers, and these Jewish laws are not easy, even for the Jews. -
can i quote Scofield:
"The Word of God declares plainly that the Christian believer is not "under the law." The New Testament declares this important truth four times: (1) Romans 6:14; (2) Romans 6:15; (3) Galatians 5:18; (4) 1 Corinthians 9:20"
Can I quote Alva MacLain:
The preposition "under" (hupo) means "subject to the power of any person or thing, to be under the power of something, to be under the rule or sovereignty of something." An excellent illustration may be found in Matthew 8:9 where the Roman centurion says, "For I am a man under (hupo) authority, having soldiers under (hupo) me." Just as the centurion was absolutely under Roman military authority, both as to its laws and its penalties, so also were his soldiers under his authority. To be under the law in the Biblical sense is to be under the law of God– the entire Mosaic legal system in its indivisible totality– subject to its commands and liable to its penalties. [Footnote #14--See LAW AND GRACE by Alva McClain, pp. 41-43.]
Can I quote George Zeller:
In Romans 6:14 Paul declares that the believer is not "under the law but under grace." What did Paul mean by this? Was he saying that we are not under the law with respect to justification (the believerÂ’s right standing before God in Christ) or was he saying that we are not under the law with respect to sanctification (the believerÂ’s progress in holiness)? Paul earlier in Romans made it clear that a person is not JUSTIFIED by the works of the law (Romans 3:20; 3:2. In Romans chapter 6 the subject is that of sanctification or holiness (see Romans 6:19,22), not justification (the subject of justification was dealt with previously in chapters 3-5). It is clear from Romans 6:14 that Paul is talking about being free from sinÂ’s dominion and power and authority, which is what sanctification is all about. We conclude then that Paul in Romans 6:14-15 set forth the great truth that the believer is not under the law as a rule of life and as a means of sanctification. The key to living the Christian life is not Mount Sinai, it is Mount Calvary. The emphasis of Romans 6 is upon Mount Calvary (and the believerÂ’s relationship to Mount Calvary in light of our identification with Christ and our position in Christ). To go back to Mount Sinai is to go back to bondage. -
Jamison .. you are very rude. How can you call Brey dear boy?
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why is Jamison talking like he is some lao jiao?
he is whose clone?
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can i quote Paul:
Therefore, my brothers, you also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you would be joined to another, to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit to God. (Romans 7:4)
To the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain those who are under the law;
to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law. (1 Cor. 9:20-21)
He is not under the torah. he is under Christ's law.
Can i quote John:
For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. (1 John 1:17)
What then? Shall we sin, because we are not under law, but under grace?... ..............May it never be!!(Romans 6:15)
For the grace of God which carries with it salvation for all men has appeared,
teaching us that, having denied impiety and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, and justly, and piously in the present course of things, (Titus 2:11-12)
How to walk in grace?
But I say, Walk in [the] Spirit, and ye shall no way fulfil flesh's lust.
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these things are opposed one to the other, that ye should not do those things which ye desire; but if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under law.
(Gal. 5:16-1
How do we know the commands of grace?
And of this I became a preacher and an Apostle (what I say is true, not false,) and a teacher of the Gentiles in the true faith. (1 Tim. 2:7) -
by sounding condescending, he is hoping to make brey flip i guess. once u get angry, the debate is half lost. not that i am siding with brey lah.. in fact i think i am more convinced with the arguements brought up by laoda, CE and vince.Originally posted by Icemoon:Jamison .. you are very rude. How can you call Brey dear boy? -
oh!!!!!Originally posted by Icemoon:Jamison .. you are very rude. How can you call Brey dear boy? 
she is a lady......sorry.
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sorry i'll erase all my boy postsOriginally posted by ben1xy:by sounding condescending, he is hoping to make brey flip i guess. once u get angry, the debate is half lost. not that i am siding with brey lah.. in fact i think i am more convinced with the arguements brought up by laoda, CE and vince.
sorry to brey...your name sounds male. -
Hi, Welcome to EH,Originally posted by Jamison:sorry i'll erase all my boy posts
sorry to brey...your name sounds male.
Brey is a man lah... -
thanksOriginally posted by vince69:Hi, Welcome to EH,
Brey is a man lah...
okay....sorry to brey -
Hi Jamison, no offence taken, it is ok.Originally posted by Jamison:thanks okay....sorry to brey
I have chosen to reply to your posts in my thread here:
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=202384 -
no point in getting upset...Originally posted by ben1xy:by sounding condescending, he is hoping to make brey flip i guess. once u get angry, the debate is half lost. not that i am siding with brey lah.. in fact i think i am more convinced with the arguements brought up by laoda, CE and vince. -
A few questions:
When Jesus said 'follow my commandments', does he also include cultural traditions like participating in Passover, not eating pork etc? And shall we continue to sacrifice animals for forgiveness of sins?
And if one insists in calling Jesus 'Yeshua' only, do you also read the bible only in Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek?
P.S: I believe there is no biblical support that the law is abolished (unless proof is given) I think what Paul means by 'not under law' is that we are not judged by the law. It does not mean that we don't have to follow it. -
by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace (eph. 2:15)Originally posted by SocialOutcast:A few questions:
When Jesus said 'follow my commandments', does he also include cultural traditions like participating in Passover, not eating pork etc? And shall we continue to sacrifice animals for forgiveness of sins?
And if one insists in calling Jesus 'Yeshua' only, do you also read the bible only in Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek?
P.S: I believe there is no biblical support that the law is abolished (unless proof is given) I think what Paul means by 'not under law' is that we are not judged by the law. It does not mean that we don't have to follow it.
having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. (Col. 2:14)
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! (Rom. 6:15)
What does 'not under law but under grace mean'? So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God (rom.7:4)
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. (John 1:17)
not under Moses. under Christ. "in order that we might bear fruit to God." But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
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I'm not sure .. but brey comes from the name of the BMW tuner.Originally posted by Jamison:sorry to brey...your name sounds male.
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Jameson, Breyton is said the Jesus said: 'if you love Me keep My commandments' Jesus is said not 'if you love Me keep Moses commandments' Jesus is said: If you lvoe Me keep My commandments alright?Originally posted by Jamison:by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace (eph. 2:15)
having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. (Col. 2:14)
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! (Rom. 6:15)
What does 'not under law but under grace mean'? So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God (rom.7:4)
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. (John 1:17)
not under Moses. under Christ. "in order that we might bear fruit to God." But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
****Jamison bows. Returns to home forum****
Breyton is also said Jesus is said i write here: 'Mt 5:17 Do not think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18 For truly I say to you, Till the heaven and the earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any way pass from the law until all is fulfilled.'
But Jesus is said: until all is fulfilled. Jesus is said: do not tot [i copy above] that i have come to destroy the law or the prophets. I have not come to destroy but to fulfill. for truly i say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any way pass the law UNITL ALL IS FULFILLED. But Jesus is fulfilled the Law when alive. And in the death the law is abulioshed is the teacher Paul is said. i like the teaching of you Jameson, i private mesage you alriight? -
Jameson i have additional thing. Read the Bible here Jameson: "But that the Word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, "They hated Me without a cause." (john 15:25)
The Jesus is saying to the apostles in this Bible to the apostles. But Look Jameson the Jesus is said IN THEIR LAW. Why the Jesus is said not in your Law Jameson? Why the apostles not now in the Law? Look i copy "But that the Word might be fulfilled that is written IN THEIR LAW, "They hated Me without a cause." do you look at the meaning Jameson? in their law because MY commandments of Jesus is now the comand Jameson. in their law Jameson is the commandments of Moses Jeameson.
that is the because the teacher Paul is said i copy:
1Co 9:20 And to the Jews I was as a Jew, so that I might give the good news to them; TO THOSE UNDER THE LAW I was the same, NOT AS BEING MYSELF UNDER THE LAW, but so that I might give the good news TO THOSE UNDER THE LAW.
21 To those without the law I was as one without the law, NOT AS BEING WITHOUT LAW TO GOD, BUT AS UNDER LAW TO CHRIST, so that I might give the good news to those without the law.
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who is Jameson?Originally posted by MarqueeMatchup:Jameson i have additional thing. Read the Bible here Jameson: "But that the Word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, "They hated Me without a cause." (john 15:25)
The Jesus is saying to the apostles in this Bible to the apostles. But Look Jameson the Jesus is said IN THEIR LAW. Why the Jesus is said not in your Law Jameson? Why the apostles not now in the Law? Look i copy "But that the Word might be fulfilled that is written IN THEIR LAW, "They hated Me without a cause." do you look at the meaning Jameson? in their law because MY commandments of Jesus is now the comand Jameson. in their law Jameson is the commandments of Moses Jeameson.
that is the because the teacher Paul is said i copy:
1Co 9:20 And to the Jews I was as a Jew, so that I might give the good news to them; TO THOSE UNDER THE LAW I was the same, NOT AS BEING MYSELF UNDER THE LAW, but so that I might give the good news TO THOSE UNDER THE LAW.
21 To those without the law I was as one without the law, NOT AS BEING WITHOUT LAW TO GOD, BUT AS UNDER LAW TO CHRIST, so that I might give the good news to those without the law.
DO YOU SEE Jameson?
we don't have a Jameson here, do we? -
Things are getting deeper and more unknown things are thrown everywhere!Originally posted by Icemoon:who is Jameson?
we don't have a Jameson here, do we?
But i'm still not reading it. -
erasedOriginally posted by MarqueeMatchup:Jameson i have additional thing. Read the Bible here Jameson: "But that the Word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, "They hated Me without a cause." (john 15:25)
The Jesus is saying to the apostles in this Bible to the apostles. But Look Jameson the Jesus is said IN THEIR LAW. Why the Jesus is said not in your Law Jameson? Why the apostles not now in the Law? Look i copy "But that the Word might be fulfilled that is written IN THEIR LAW, "They hated Me without a cause." do you look at the meaning Jameson? in their law because MY commandments of Jesus is now the comand Jameson. in their law Jameson is the commandments of Moses Jeameson.
that is the because the teacher Paul is said i copy:
1Co 9:20 And to the Jews I was as a Jew, so that I might give the good news to them; TO THOSE UNDER THE LAW I was the same, NOT AS BEING MYSELF UNDER THE LAW, but so that I might give the good news TO THOSE UNDER THE LAW.
21 To those without the law I was as one without the law, NOT AS BEING WITHOUT LAW TO GOD, BUT AS UNDER LAW TO CHRIST, so that I might give the good news to those without the law.
DO YOU SEE Jameson? -
Icemoon .. you are very rude. You know he was referring to meOriginally posted by Icemoon:who is Jameson?
we don't have a Jameson here, do we? -
why is Icemoon talking like that?
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don't worry about him, Icemoon is just trying to increase his post counts...Originally posted by Jamison:why is Icemoon talking like that?
he is whose clone?