Some questions from Roman Catholics...
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I think jehovah raphia (sp?) sounds nicer.Originally posted by Chin Eng:I guess we can address God with any of the names mentioned in the Bible, the last thing I want to hear are folks telling me that their particular way is the only way to address God.
Myself...??? I like "El Shaddai" - God Almighty!
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I am a simple woman. I will just use "God", cuz it's the easiest to pronounce and spell.
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wait all the gods turn their heads.Originally posted by Honeybunz:I am a simple woman. I will just use "God", cuz it's the easiest to pronounce and spell.
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Brey is not asking per se - I am suggesting that he rethink his behaviour . What I am pointing out is that his views are rather unconstructively scathing .Originally posted by Icemoon:1. Brey was not asking questions per se. Your reply should be reserved for people like SIS and skyfoo. (read the locked topic in CC)
2. Your analogy of the bad pain fails. A more appropriate analogy would be non life threatening every-day problems like acne or blocked nose.
A forum is a good place for discussion and learning. The one who reply can choose to do it seriously. If you do it seriously, people will be edified and your mastery of theology and language will increase.
Asking the clergy is good, but can be problematic. Imagine the email correspondence. I don't think they are that free to entertain your follow-up questions. Same for trying to fix an appointment face to face.
A forum is a good place for discussion. Learning about how they think- yes - learning about theology - I beg to differ . You have plenty of people logging in under nicknames and most you probably won't ever meet . Accountability on forums is virtually zero - anyone can cut and paste ( no offence to those who know what they are talking about) unless you choose to meet the people irl that you are discussing with and then choose to know them. Any person can be anyone they want on the forum easily.
Theology can't be learnt from forums- why do you think they have bible colleges, seminaries etc? Would you learn something formally from a forum? DOUBTFUL.
I didn't say email correspondence , did I? - most clergy I know are happy to take the time and talk or make an appointment with you. -
Conviction ( defined in context) : an unshakable belief in something without need for proof or evidenceOriginally posted by Icemoon:On the contrary, Brey is not confused. Someone who is confused will not write with great convictions like him.
PS: the one who is confused is CK. After so many topics, no one here has an inkling what he is talking about.
On the contrary ,a person can be confused even if they can write with great conviction. How do you think the Davidians can commit the great Waco Massacre? How do you think the Aum Sect and the sarin gas incident in tokyo happen? It is because of people with great (very very wrong and confused) convictions. -
He does not agree - he can say politely he does not agree and his reasons than choose to paint a whole denomination with slanderous words like "fallacy, lies etc " - that is the point I am making.Originally posted by laoda99:I always tot the issue between jewish christians and gentile christians are long over until Brey brought it up again.
I am sure Brey is not the only one who dun agree with RC teachings, but there is no need to shout heresy all the time.
Heh...next time I won't be surprised if anyone calls me "satanic" for defending my stance or beliefs - been there - got called one by an over-enthusiatic charismatic christian.
The only people on the streets who try to convert without piling insults on the Roman Catholic Church are the Mormons , for that I respect them as much as I disagree with their doctrines. The rest of the street christians ( as I call them) just tell me in not so many words that I better convert to their whatever beliefs and be rebaptised or else prepare to burn in hell since my soul won't be saved.
That is not how conversion or change happens - it does not matter how many people you can shove your beliefs down their throats or how many you can gather into one church . It is how you act towards others that make people convert. Just like how Jesus and his apostles and his many martyred followers converted masses through their pacifism and actions til Christianity with all its many branches became one major religion of the world. -
This is an excellent example of someone who understands and acknowledge that there is but one God.Originally posted by Honeybunz:I am a simple woman. I will just use "God", cuz it's the easiest to pronounce and spell. -
This is an excellent example of an idolator; someone who believes that there are many gods.Originally posted by Icemoon:wait all the gods turn their heads. -
and if someone were to say that people must put their faith in a book, I have no choice but to call them idolators.Originally posted by vince69:Just want to carify, my personal opinion is this (think I must have said this before), there are doctrine that are essentials, and there are the non-essentials.
For those that are essential, we do have to make a stand.
example: if someone is to say we are write our own Bible based on our relationship with God,
or, if someone is to say, we have to add on to what Christ had done for us, by adding onto it our own works ...etc
these are things that to me have to make a stand against.
Others like, whether we are to eat meat/pork or not to eat, to keep long hair or short hair, fast song or slow song, even in regards to the practice of tongues, these are non-essential (personal opinion again), these we can have disagreement on and should not impose on others at all.
shalom peace
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You can give God names as long as when you worship, you do not worship the name or I have no choice but to call you an idolator.Originally posted by vince69:The way some folks is using the word "God", "god" in sgforum, I think I too will have to switch to using Yahweh to address God to be able to differentiate the God we christians worship, and the "God", "god" they claim to be.
Brey, don't mind if I copy you ah
Many temples make a statue in honour of the name. Even if you do not have a statue cast in stone, the worship of the "name," the concept, in your head is idolatry.
When you come to God, when you seek and ask God; if you seek and ask that "name" you are seeking and asking an idol. -
The Jewish race was special only because Abraham's Faith was in God and not idols. The Jewish race was special only because Abraham worshiped God and not idols.Originally posted by breytonhartge:the Jewish race has a very special place in God's eyes and that we cannot detract from.
Anyone who has Faith in God and worships God and not idols (whether cast in stone or concepts in their head) are special to God.
Idolatry speaks of the arrogance of man, that man can understand and define and conceptualise God. Whether the conception is cast in stone or remains as a concept in man's head, or is a name that one puts one's faith in; it is idolatry. -
I follow the 10 commandments template mah .. "thou shall have no other gods before me".Originally posted by casino_king:This is an excellent example of an idolator; someone who believes that there are many gods. -
wat if someone worship the term "born again", can we call him an idolator?
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Originally posted by laoda99:wat if someone worship the term "born again", can we call him an idolator?
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A forum is good as it represents a diversity of views. If you are from the more charismatic branches, I dare to say you won't even come into contact with the reformed position. If you go into TCC, I don't know what they gonna teach you there ..Originally posted by fymk:Brey is not asking per se - I am suggesting that he rethink his behaviour . What I am pointing out is that his views are rather unconstructively scathing .
A forum is a good place for discussion. Learning about how they think- yes - learning about theology - I beg to differ . You have plenty of people logging in under nicknames and most you probably won't ever meet . Accountability on forums is virtually zero - anyone can cut and paste ( no offence to those who know what they are talking about) unless you choose to meet the people irl that you are discussing with and then choose to know them. Any person can be anyone they want on the forum easily.
Theology can't be learnt from forums- why do you think they have bible colleges, seminaries etc? Would you learn something formally from a forum? DOUBTFUL.
I didn't say email correspondence , did I? - most clergy I know are happy to take the time and talk or make an appointment with you.
I disagree that you need formal training to be acquainted with theology. One need to be discerning, rational and maintain some healthy skepticism, whether on the forums or in school. -
Your clergy is who?Originally posted by fymk:I didn't say email correspondence , did I? - most clergy I know are happy to take the time and talk or make an appointment with you.
I'm referring to luminaries like Sproul and those based outside Singapore.
There are problems with meeting clergy.
1. If you are SIS and bomb the clergy with his kind of questions, I think clergy will faint and die on the spot. At least with email you can take your time to answer, flip your reference books for answer, or simply choose not to answer.
2. Clergy have their own theology and might subconsciously influence you to their position.
3. Clergy are not really free. I don't think Prince or Kong Hee that free to entertain you for afternoon tea when you are not even member of their churches. They spend 1 hour with you still need to pay for coffee. They go give motivation talks can earn few k per hour. -
So is Brey confused?Originally posted by fymk:Conviction ( defined in context) : an unshakable belief in something without need for proof or evidence
On the contrary ,a person can be confused even if they can write with great conviction. How do you think the Davidians can commit the great Waco Massacre? How do you think the Aum Sect and the sarin gas incident in tokyo happen? It is because of people with great (very very wrong and confused) convictions.
Did Brey commit immoral acts like the examples you quoted? -
CK praised the killer boss!Originally posted by casino_king:This is an excellent example of someone who understands and acknowledge that there is but one God.
wahh .. but CK also praised me before I remember. -
he forgot liaoOriginally posted by Icemoon:CK praised the killer boss!
wahh .. but CK also praised me before I remember.
now u are an adolator!
Die Die Die! -
I stick to the reformed position - Christians are to preach the gospel, conversion is done by the Holy Spirit.Originally posted by fymk:The only people on the streets who try to convert without piling insults on the Roman Catholic Church are the Mormons , for that I respect them as much as I disagree with their doctrines. The rest of the street christians ( as I call them) just tell me in not so many words that I better convert to their whatever beliefs and be rebaptised or else prepare to burn in hell since my soul won't be saved.
That is not how conversion or change happens - it does not matter how many people you can shove your beliefs down their throats or how many you can gather into one church . It is how you act towards others that make people convert. Just like how Jesus and his apostles and his many martyred followers converted masses through their pacifism and actions til Christianity with all its many branches became one major religion of the world.
And what is the gospel? I leave you to find out.
Historically, Jesus and his apostles and their martyred followers did not convert through pacifism and actions. You read the bible, how many conversions happened like that? -
If you believe that there is only one God in your heart; when you call out to God, how can another god answer you? gods are concepts of the one God. It is a reflection of man's arrogance... to have conceptions of God.Originally posted by Icemoon:I follow the 10 commandments template mah .. "thou shall have no other gods before me".
You must realise and not simply know this. This is what prevents man from being born again.
When you come before God without arrogance, God will respond to you and in order for you to hear God's response to you, God gives you Birth of Spirit. As long as you are in the flesh, you cannot hear God; communicate with God directly.
It is all one way street until you are born of spirit. You need to be born of the spirit to be able to hear God directly and not through proxies. -
and to add: those who give God names and are willing to put their trust according to the names they have arrogantly given to God; are similarly idolators.
You can tell others about God as you have personally experienced it and to describe your personal experience of God at that point in time you assign a name to God. As long as you understand that it is simply your personal experience of God at that point in time and not meant to be a conception of God.
But if you try to come to God by saying, Yahweh listen.
El Shaddai... talk to me.
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CK,Originally posted by casino_king:You can give God names as long as when you worship, you do not worship the name or I have no choice but to call you an idolator.
Many temples make a statue in honour of the name. Even if you do not have a statue cast in stone, the worship of the "name," the concept, in your head is idolatry.
When you come to God, when you seek and ask God; if you seek and ask that "name" you are seeking and asking an idol.
Just to point out to you...
Yahweh (YHWH) is from a Hebrew word
God is from a English word
Shang Di is from a Chinese phrase
and these are all names of God.
why so many names? cause not everyone speak english. -
not adolator lah... its idolatorOriginally posted by tweakmax:he forgot liao
now u are an adolator!
Die Die Die!
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I am not a Jew and I doubt that you are a Jew.Originally posted by vince69:CK,
Just to point out to you...
Yahweh (YHWH) is from a Hebrew word
God is from a English word
Shang Di is from a Chinese phrase
and these are all names of God.
why so many names? cause not everyone speak english. The word God must come with the correct attitude or you are just another adolator