Some questions from Roman Catholics...
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if attitude is the issue, then what names we call God is not the problem, is it?Originally posted by casino_king:I am not a Jew and I doubt that you are a Jew.
The word God must come with the correct attitude or you are just another adolator 
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God also said to Moses, "I am the LORD. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, [a] but by my name the LORD I did not make myself known to them. - Exodus 6: 2-3 TNIVOriginally posted by casino_king:and to add: those who give God names and are willing to put their trust according to the names they have arrogantly given to God; are similarly idolators.
You can tell others about God as you have personally experienced it and to describe your personal experience of God at that point in time you assign a name to God. As long as you understand that it is simply your personal experience of God at that point in time and not meant to be a conception of God.
But if you try to come to God by saying, Yahweh listen.
El Shaddai... talk to me.
You are similarly an idolator and am an arrogant fool before God.
Footnotes from TNIV
a) Hebrew El Shaddai
P.S. Dont call God a fool ok ? -
Originally from :
Don't ever imply that God is a fool; God is too great to take offence but I fear for your soul.
Exodus 6 WEB
1 Yahweh said to Moses, "Now you shall see what I will do to Pharaoh, for by a strong hand he shall let them go, and by a strong hand he shall drive them out of his land."
2 God spoke to Moses, and said to him, "I am Yahweh;
3 and I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty; but by my name Yahweh I was not known to them.
4 I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their travels, in which they lived as aliens.
5 Moreover I have heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage, and I have remembered my covenant.
6 Therefore tell the children of Israel,'I am Yahweh, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm, and with great judgments:
7 and I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God; and you shall know that I am Yahweh your God, who brings you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.
8 I will bring you into the land which I swore to give to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it to you for a heritage: I am Yahweh.'"
Open your eyes my friend and emerge from the darkness: "at that point in time you assign a name to God. As long as you understand that it is simply your personal experience of God at that point in time and not meant to be a conception of God. "
Are you now in bondage in Egypt? Even if you are...
"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty;"
to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; they approached God Almighty by Faith and God Almighty appeared to them. -
Originally posted by casino_king:
Err...i'm actually saying that you call God a fool. In the days of Moses and Job, God revealed Himself in many names which described His divine character and which are sang in praises and recited in proses by His people.
[/b]Don't ever imply that God is a fool; God is too great to take offence but I fear for your soul.
Open your eyes my friend and emerge from the darkness: "at that point in time you assign a name to God. As long as you understand that it is simply your personal experience of God at that point in time and not meant to be a conception of God. "
Are you now in bondage in Egypt? Even if you are...
"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty;"
to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; they approached God Almighty by Faith and God Almighty appeared to them.[/b]
And seems like you dont really read the Bible ya. Or perhaps you miss out the footnotes ? try taking them into account.. for many times, they explain the original source of the Word.
Really, nothing wrong with Christians praising the Lord in His names. On the contrary, it affirms their heart for the Lord and their understanding of who God really is. -
A statement of utter arrogance. The bible is telling you people's experiences of God at various times of their lives, in many different circumstances and many different times in the history of man.Originally posted by klydeer:"their understanding of who God really is."
You can read it with interest; you can associate the names of God with those times and events.
The minute you say hah! now I know God... you have created an idol in your head. That will not do because it implies arrogance and is arrogance.
If you are not Born Again like the way Jesus spoke of in John 3; seek and ye shall find, ask and it shall be given, knock and the door to the Kingdom of God will be open unto you.
It is up to you. 'Take up your bed and walk.' 'Go to Siloam and wash your face.' -
If u believe god is too great to take offence stop twisting his words and stop proclaiming homosexuality is for his glory.....utter blasphemy.....i fear for ur soul and ur brain.....Originally posted by casino_king:Don't ever imply that God is a fool; God is too great to take offence but I fear for your soul.
why are we tolerating ur nonsense? becoz u boost ratings...tat's all
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you naughty hah, people talking about serious topic, you talk about ratings.Originally posted by laoda99:If u believe god is too great to take offence stop twisting his words and stop proclaiming homosexuality is for his glory.....utter blasphemy.....i fear for ur soul and ur brain.....
why are we tolerating ur nonsense? becoz u boost ratings...tat's all -
Think about it. The New testament part of the bible tells us what the apostles witnessed ( like the crucification of Christ) , and their preaches about the teaching of Christ but it most certainly does not tell you much about the history of their lives and how early christianity went up against Pagan religions of the Great Roman Empire or other pagan religions of minority groups. They died for their unrelenting belief in the Christian faith- peter was crucified upside down ( upside down at his request) . Those are actions.Originally posted by Icemoon:I stick to the reformed position - Christians are to preach the gospel, conversion is done by the Holy Spirit.
And what is the gospel? I leave you to find out.
Historically, Jesus and his apostles and their martyred followers did not convert through pacifism and actions. You read the bible, how many conversions happened like that?
Emperor Constantine used Christianity as a tool (wrong as it is but it started its very first steps into becoming a major world religion) to unify the Roman empire as a result of the actions of those strong believers who would not believe in anything else except God and would die for that belief ( non pacifistic action again) . Just historical facts- check it up , tis all.
Jesus is a pacifist who used actions to convert the masses - the mosaic law stated that an adultress had to be stoned to death - but Jesus forgave that woman and told her to sin no more. Jesus also said Love thy neighbour, and the famous "turn the other cheek" . Alot of these teachings are pacifistic in nature. That is just some of the pacifist actions that Jesus preached and did , according to the New testament of the Bible. He opened the Kingdom to the non jews through preaching christian ideals of love, kindness and humility. He did not fight the authorities who sought to crucify him. Jesus performed miracles (another form of action) and he did what he preached - forgiveness,love, compassion and kindness towards each other - I call that actions of pacifism. Aplenty in the bible for all those examples of pacifistic type of actions ...and the bible is used to spread to good words of our Lord. In the early days - maybe parts of what the apostles wrote to different areas they were in.
So what is the use of preaching without practising what you preach? Those very first christians who truly believed- through their actions - that is how Christianity became one of the world's largest religion. Right or not? -
casino king...u really reminded me of a sermon where it was said that when a person keep on shouting about his own understanding, this person is probably far from what is really understood. Sometimes in a lift, the person who "release gas" would be the first to cover his nose.Originally posted by casino_king:A statement of utter arrogance. The bible is telling you people's experiences of God at various times of their lives, in many different circumstances and many different times in the history of man.
You can read it with interest; you can associate the names of God with those times and events.
The minute you say hah! now I know God... you have created an idol in your head. That will not do because it implies arrogance and is arrogance.
If you are not Born Again like the way Jesus spoke of in John 3; seek and ye shall find, ask and it shall be given, knock and the door to the Kingdom of God will be open unto you.
It is up to you. 'Take up your bed and walk.' 'Go to Siloam and wash your face.'
by the way, i love the song "El Shaddai". especially the version sang by children at Cedarmont Kids. Sigh....the part :"Age to age you are still the same..." brings tears to my heart at times.
want to sing with me ?
Chorus
El Shaddai, El Shaddai,
El-Elyon na Adonia,
Age to age You're still the same,
By the power of the name.
El Shaddai, El Shaddai,
Erkamka na Adonai,
We will praise and lift You high,
El Shaddai.
Verses
Through your love and through the ram,
You saved the son of Abraham;
Through the power of your hand,
Turned the sea into dry land.
To the outcast on her knees,
You were the God who really sees,
And by Your might,
You set Your children free.
Through the years You've made it clear,
That the time of Christ was near,
Though the people couldn't see
What Messiah ought to be.
Though Your Word contained the plan,
They just could not understand
Your most awesome work was done
Through the frailty of Your Son. -
~sing~
comeon everybody!Originally posted by klydeer:casino king...u really reminded me of a sermon where it was said that when a person keep on shouting about his own understanding, this person is probably far from what is really understood. Sometimes in a lift, the person who "release gas" would be the first to cover his nose.
by the way, i love the song "El Shaddai". especially the version sang by children at Cedarmont Kids. Sigh....the part :"Age to age you are still the same..." brings tears to my heart at times.
want to sing with me ?
Chorus
El Shaddai, El Shaddai,
El-Elyon na Adonia,
Age to age You're still the same,
By the power of the name.
El Shaddai, El Shaddai,
Erkamka na Adonai,
We will praise and lift You high,
El Shaddai.
Verses
Through your love and through the ram,
You saved the son of Abraham;
Through the power of your hand,
Turned the sea into dry land.
To the outcast on her knees,
You were the God who really sees,
And by Your might,
You set Your children free.
Through the years You've made it clear,
That the time of Christ was near,
Though the people couldn't see
What Messiah ought to be.
Though Your Word contained the plan,
They just could not understand
Your most awesome work was done
Through the frailty of Your Son. -
You are speaking from a position of unbelief, unbelief in Jesus' words when He said that you must be Born Again. You prefer the sanitised version preached by the Churches... it is ok, because Jesus himself said...Originally posted by klydeer:casino king...u really reminded me of a sermon where it was said that when a person keep on shouting about his own understanding, this person is probably far from what is really understood. Sometimes in a lift, the person who "release gas" would be the first to cover his nose.
Matthew 20:16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few are chosen."
who knows? Maybe that monkey who jumps around in EH might end up ahead of you the minute he recognises that fact that he is a monkey and puts his faith in God. -
mr casino,
do u want to go for our church outing? -
I quote you again - That is not how conversion or change happens - it does not matter how many people you can shove your beliefs down their throats or how many you can gather into one church . It is how you act towards others that make people convert. Just like how Jesus and his apostles and his many martyred followers converted masses through their pacifism and actions til Christianity with all its many branches became one major religion of the worldOriginally posted by fymk:Think about it. The New testament part of the bible tells us what the apostles witnessed ( like the crucification of Christ) , and their preaches about the teaching of Christ but it most certainly does not tell you much about the history of their lives and how early christianity went up against Pagan religions of the Great Roman Empire or other pagan religions of minority groups. They died for their unrelenting belief in the Christian faith- peter was crucified upside down ( upside down at his request) . Those are actions.
How do martyr actions convert masses?Emperor Constantine used Christianity as a tool (wrong as it is but it started its very first steps into becoming a major world religion) to unify the Roman empire as a result of the actions of those strong believers who would not believe in anything else except God and would die for that belief ( non pacifistic action again) . Just historical facts- check it up , tis all.
Why did Constantine need to woo these people who were the minority and not influential? The majority and influential were pagans.Jesus is a pacifist who used actions to convert the masses - the mosaic law stated that an adultress had to be stoned to death - but Jesus forgave that woman and told her to sin no more. Jesus also said Love thy neighbour, and the famous "turn the other cheek" . Alot of these teachings are pacifistic in nature. That is just some of the pacifist actions that Jesus preached and did , according to the New testament of the Bible.
There is not much evidence from Scripture to suggest people were converted becaue of the said actions.
On the contrary, Jesus claimed he came not to bring peace but a sword. He also told the rich man to give up his wealth.He opened the Kingdom to the non jews through preaching christian ideals of love, kindness and humility. He did not fight the authorities who sought to crucify him. Jesus performed miracles (another form of action) and he did what he preached - forgiveness,love, compassion and kindness towards each other - I call that actions of pacifism. Aplenty in the bible for all those examples of pacifistic type of actions ...and the bible is used to spread to good words of our Lord. In the early days - maybe parts of what the apostles wrote to different areas they were in.
Jesus did not open the kingdom to non jews, in fact you'll be hard pressed to find evidence of non-jews converted in the gospel by Jesus. It was Paul who opened the Kingdom to the gentiles.
Furthermore, it was recorded that John the Baptist had a sizeable number of followers and he led them to Jesus. And what was John's style of preaching? "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand!" In other words, he used threats to convert.So what is the use of preaching without practising what you preach? Those very first christians who truly believed- through their actions - that is how Christianity became one of the world's largest religion. Right or not?
The reason why Christianity became one of the world's largest religion is because of mass prostylesing (sp?) by the Roman Catholics like the Jesuits. They worked hand in hand with the merchants and colonizers.
In fact, I suspect Christianity experienced large growth during its dark period like the Crusades and Inquisition when pacifist actions were obviously not the norm. -
Originally posted by casino_king:
then blessed is the one who puts his faith in the Lord.
You are speaking from a position of unbelief, unbelief in Jesus' words when He said that you must be Born Again. You prefer the sanitised version preached by the Churches... it is ok, because Jesus himself said...
Matthew 20:16 So the last will be first, and the first last. [b]For many are called, but few are chosen."
who knows? Maybe that monkey who jumps around in EH might end up ahead of you the minute he recognises that fact that he is a monkey and puts his faith in God.[/b]
i'm not really so concerned with who comes up first and last. i'm more interested in developing a heart to serve Him.
few are chosen, because many are called and some of these called prefer to monkey around and put the ring of condemnation and judgement into their own fingers. -
Please... try to do good and be good all you want.... ???Originally posted by klydeer:then blessed is the one who puts his faith in the Lord.
i'm not really so concerned with who comes up first and last. i'm more interested in developing a heart to serve Him.
few are chosen, because many are called and some of these called prefer to monkey around and put the ring of condemnation and judgement into their own fingers.
God will tell you and show you what His will for you; for your life is.
Matt 12:49 He stretched out his hand towards his disciples, and said, "Behold, my mother and my brothers!
50 For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother."
You need to be Born of Spirit for God to communicate His will for your life directly to you, not through proxies. -
Originally posted by casino_king:
So what is God's will and plan for you ? Do you know ? You must have....since you said so. Tell me can ?
Please... try to do good and be good all you want.... ???
God will tell you and show you what His will for you; for your life is.
[b]Matt 12:49 He stretched out his hand towards his disciples, and said, "Behold, my mother and my brothers!
50 For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother."
You need to be Born of Spirit for God to communicate His will for your life directly to you, not through proxies.[/b] -
Too personal to go into details but my sig below? Winning.... Hopelessness.Originally posted by klydeer:So what is God's will and plan for you ? Do you know ? You must have....since you said so. Tell me can ?
That is part of it. -
maybe he won big at vegas, lost it all, now his calling is to warn people against gambling.... just a guess, after all he's not telling, so we all entitled to guess...Originally posted by klydeer:So what is God's will and plan for you ? Do you know ? You must have....since you said so. Tell me can ?
and whatever our guesses are, they are all wrong.... -
couselling for problem gamblers ? (sorry, please indulge in my ignorance as i am quite dense as you pointed out.)Originally posted by casino_king:Too personal to go into details but my sig below? Winning.... Hopelessness.
That is part of it.
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How can I still be anonymous if I give too much away?Originally posted by klydeer:couselling for problem gamblers ? (sorry, please indulge in my ignorance as i am quite dense as you pointed out.)
and why do you call yourself "casino_king" ?
Like I said, let's just quote and refer to the bible for our answers.
casino_king? I never realised that it gave the connotation that I am King of Gambling... until people like you start to question me.
Maybe it should have been casino_kills or something like that
OK this is my last respond to questions about me directly.
I prefer to talk about Jesus' teachings. -
mebbe he win big at Casino...tat's why he can surf sgforums 24hrsOriginally posted by Chin Eng:maybe he won big at vegas, lost it all, now his calling is to warn people against gambling.... just a guess, after all he's not telling, so we all entitled to guess...
and whatever our guesses are, they are all wrong.... -
Ok. i respect that this will be your last respond about yourself.Originally posted by casino_king:How can I still be anonymous if I give too much away?
Like I said, let's just quote and refer to the bible for our answers.
casino_king? I never realised that it gave the connotation that I am King of Gambling... until people like you start to question me.
Maybe it should have been casino_kills or something like that
OK this is my last respond to questions about me directly.
I prefer to talk about Jesus' teachings.
Anyways, your statements above already affirmed some thoughts i have.
Blessed day, casino_king.
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Originally posted by Icemoon:
No offence but I am intrigued now. All I know he went to Gennesaret, tyre , sidon and in somewhere healed a gentile's daughter - I think it is a canaanite lady (matthew 15 : 21-2
Jesus did not open the kingdom to non jews, in fact you'll be hard pressed to find evidence of non-jews converted
, and decapolis - primarily a greek and roman settlement.
And if what you say is true, then why are there christians when Jesus did not , as you suggested, bother to open the kingdom to non jews?Then shouldn't we all convert to judaism, follow its laws and then believe in christ to be saved? I am curious about your views then.
Did not the bible which I quote :
Matthew 28:18-19
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations. " -
Originally posted by Icemoon:Jesus did not open the kingdom to non jews, in fact you'll be hard pressed to find evidence of non-jews converted in the gospel by Jesus. It was Paul who opened the Kingdom to the gentiles.
Originally posted by fymk:
Icemoon, I give you a present, John 4, After Jesus' talk with the Samaritian woman, she believed, and because of her testimonies, many other Samaritians also believed, and He stays with them 2 days.
No offence but I am intrigued now.
And if what you say is true about Jesus not even preaching to non jews then why are there christians?Then shouldn't we all convert to judaism, follow its laws and then believe in christ to be saved? I am curious about your views then.
Did not the bible which I quote :
Matthew 28:18-19
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of [b] all nations. "
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NOTE: Samaritians are not Jews.
John 4 (NIV) : Jesus Talks With a Samaritan Woman
39Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman's testimony, "He told me everything I ever did." 40So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. 41And because of his words many more became believers.
42They said to the woman, "We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world."
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Originally posted by fymk:
It is the other way around, that is why you find so few Jews who are Christians. Even among Christians, many are called but few are chosen.
No offence but I am intrigued now.
And if what you say is true about Jesus not even preaching to non jews then why are there christians?Then shouldn't we all convert to judaism, follow its laws and then believe in christ to be saved? I am curious about your views then.
Did not the bible which I quote :
Matthew 28:18-19
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of [b] all nations. "
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Matthew 21:42 Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures,'The stone which the builders rejected, the same was made the head of the corner. This was from the Lord. It is marvelous in our eyes?'
43 "Therefore I tell you, the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you, and will be given to a nation bringing forth its fruit.
44 He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but on whoever it will fall, it will scatter him as dust."
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he spoke about them.
46 When they sought to seize him, they feared the multitudes, because they considered him to be a prophet.
Even among Christians:
Matthew 22:14 "For many are called, but few chosen."