Righteousness through faith
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CKOriginally posted by casino_king:So even if you are a Christian, what is the point if day and night you are reading the bible and praying for properity and doing good works when what is required of you is FAITH in GOD?
are you stuck or what? you just conviently ignored my question to you
Your "Justification by Faith", based on what? where do you put your faith in? -
Confuse you with more riddles in order not to answer the question?Originally posted by Icemoon:wait he asks you what's a Christian?
Act superior in knowledge?
Seen that, been there
Just wish forumers would use other ruse, coz i am bored of it -
again, can you stop accusing people for telling you this notion of right/wrong God, when you yourself is the one who mentioned this first in this thread.Originally posted by casino_king:I am going to sleep, this one needs some reflection anyway... don't be too quick to answer and tell me stuff like Right God and Wrong God. -
sounds like the job for the mafia boss and the mafia lady.Originally posted by Icemoon:lol .. Sillyme and Sinned sound like the Twins. or the Duo.
then maybe Rex and Macross will be another pair.
the final round should have a big boss .. with his left and right henchmen.
any recommendation of a safe house? -
'Yes'Originally posted by casino_king:I know you did but I was more interested in what that guy who made that post was going to say. Well it turns out he was not serious.
Let's say I am Abraham and have nothing but idols around me. How then do I make that leap and put my faith in GOD? Just because it was never written down does it mean that there were none other than Abraham?
Are the "false Gods" just notions of God?
But 'no' if it's in the way you like to take certain answers to their illogical extreme. I bide you use some common sense in making sense of my answer. Anyway back to the topic.
First and foremost false gods are certainly notions of God, false ones at that.
Let's just say that Christian monotheism is THE truth, and in that universe I may suppose a baseball is God and most certanly that notion is wrong, but it is right in supposing theism, the error starting in the fact that this theism is associated with a baseball. This baseball religion is certainly closer to the mark in such a universe then, then pure athiesm.
Obviously then in such a universe theism, in whatever forms are false if they fall short of the actual Fact in certain ways, but certainly more true then athiesm and co. Logically it follows that in such a universe there would be a 'right' God (the Fact) versus the wrong god/s (the false notions of Him)
And you are quite right in saying that Abraham did not have anything to read, what is obvious is that whatever motivated him was certainly not the bible (it didn't exist then), and on this many topics can be spun off. And no I do not for a moment think that there were no other stories like Abraham or that God only had eyes and destiny for Abraham.
But lest you try to construct too much on this (and perhaps suggest much out of nothing), lets remember what Aslan says when he tells the children that 'I tell you your story, not theirs'. Apparently Abraham's story had become part of our own for some reason that will become obvious once you follow the text on the many years after he died.
Yet again you should beware if you want to use this as an argument that the bible need not be considered in our current context (for Christians anyway), but it's all too complex to deal with in one post. Harp on it and we might discuss.
You are quite right when you say that one cannot be wrong if he worships GOD. But yet again I fear you appeal to jargon and statements that you go too far on.The Hindus put it nicely, they are manifestations of God. So if God is manifested in a tree, they worship that tree as God. That is pantheism, God is everywhere. Where they went arwy is that indeed God is everywhere and you do need need God to be manifested and worship the objects.[/quote]
Half-right. Being omnipresent is quite different from pantheism. Pantheism does not just assert (by burdern of their very argument)that God is everywhere but rather God is everything. The tree, the human, the rock, everything is God and God is no distinct from matter or existence. This is quite different from the concept of being omnipresent[quote]The error as far as I can see is that they do not worship God as GOD. If one worships God as GOD, one cannot be wrong as indeed there is only one God.
If one puts his faith in GOD, then one cannot be wrong as there is only one GOD. Next we look at the Jews.
Firstly one realizes that if this GOD is something, there are also somethings that He is NOT. More curiously He has made certain things about Himself clear to us that we may know what exactly we have faith in and what to do with it.
One might then make the curious observation that GOD would not be content to let the universe just run in any right or wrong way but demand a certain WAY for it to be run. And worshiping/ putting faith in such a God would mean surrendering our will such that it conforms to such a WAY. True enough one cannot go wrong if he follows this WAY.
Unfortunately if you are just suggesting blind faith in GOD and all my actions will be fine and water... then I believe you are quite mistaken. GOD never demands blind faith from us, He demands are comprehensible to us first by knowing and trusting that which we first do know about Him, and the faith is that which comes from that kind of trust, as opposed to a blind adherence to the notion that I have set my mind to be a fan of GOD and all my actions will make sense.
A child must first know his father to trust Him in all the uncomprehensible actions the grown-up will do, just making him trust in the existence of a parent will have him running to every grown-up, even those who mean him harm.
Obviously there is a logical need to know at least something about God, before you can have any faith. Any other then that would be to say that truth does not matter as long as I believe it hard enough. -
I was thinking of forming this mega-rex kind of boss like the final boss at the end of Path of NeoOriginally posted by vince69:sounds like the job for the mafia boss and the mafia lady.
any recommendation of a safe house?
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in this case, I think I will go underground...Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:I was thinking of forming this mega-rex kind of boss like the final boss at the end of Path of Neo 
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as I'd said, there are two ways to do this: one - reading such a book will allow a reader to know ABOUT the subject.Originally posted by casino_king:You said: "reading the Bible will allow them to KNOW God." Will reading a book about your wife allow them to know your wife? Like you know your wife?
two - Christians reading the Bible acknowledges the our God is a living God and allow us to know Him, not merely ABOUT Him.
All this goes back to whether we accept the existence of the supernatural. If you don't accept such things, and others do, nothing much to talk about....
....and all those threads in the night and the early morning - if you don't want to answer the questions for the rest of us, don't expect us to answer your questions.
dinosaur summed it all quite well:Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:If you haven't noticed, people stopped taking you seriously because you stopped being intellectually serious a long time ago.
In fact it seems that you want people to be serious about one thing: you.
The 'facts' and 'questions' you are pushing it seems, are largely besides the point of seriousness (in fact you don't seem very serious about them), and in fact I suspect had you been serious you might actually think a lot more before asking your questions. Asking questions is one thing, asking useful ones is quite another.
I quite insulted leh! Only level 2 hah?.... but seriously, I agree with T-rex. I have stop taking CK seriously (shiz, I used "seriously" twice in one sentence!) a long time ago..... I suspect Vince feels that same way as me.Originally posted by Icemoon:to all,
he has bypass us level 1 guys.
I think he wants to challenge the level 2 bosses - chin eng, vince and the Rex.
he might be interested to try the bonus stage - honey, macross and plo.
This thread is getting to be seriously boliao..... guy ask tons of questions, refused to answer any addressed to him.... other people don't answer he accused you of being stuck etc etc....
You guys have fun.... today very very boh eng..... -
If you understand that man cannot fully understand GOD in entirety, you will realise that whatever notion man has of GOD is false.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:First and foremost false gods are certainly notions of God, false ones at that.
So the critical question is, "Do you believe with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength that there is only one God?"Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Let's just say that Christian monotheism is THE truth, and in that universe I may suppose a baseball is God and most certanly that notion is wrong, but it is right in supposing theism, the error starting in the fact that this theism is associated with a baseball. This baseball religion is certainly closer to the mark in such a universe then, then pure athiesm.
Obviously then in such a universe theism, in whatever forms are false if they fall short of the actual Fact in certain ways, but certainly more true then athiesm and co. Logically it follows that in such a universe there would be a 'right' God (the Fact) versus the wrong god/s (the false notions of Him)
Note that the story of Abraham is in old as well as the new testament. That would straightaway tell you that Jesus came onto the earth to bring people back to the Abrahamic FAITH in GOD.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:And you are quite right in saying that Abraham did not have anything to read, what is obvious is that whatever motivated him was certainly not the bible (it didn't exist then), and on this many topics can be spun off. And no I do not for a moment think that there were no other stories like Abraham or that God only had eyes and destiny for Abraham.
But lest you try to construct too much on this (and perhaps suggest much out of nothing), lets remember what Aslan says when he tells the children that 'I tell you your story, not theirs'. Apparently Abraham's story had become part of our own for some reason that will become obvious once you follow the text on the many years after he died.
Yet again you should beware if you want to use this as an argument that the bible need not be considered in our current context (for Christians anyway), but it's all too complex to deal with in one post. Harp on it and we might discuss.
Yes, like Aslan and the children's example (actually I wanted to say Islam too but every time I talk about anything other than Christian examples; many Christians here jump up an down like monkeys; a sign that they must be fed tofu and is not ready for meat) it is THE ONLY STORY
If God is everything, by extension, God is everywhere. Let's by mutual agreement not discuss other religions as there are many here who can only digest tofu.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:quote:The Hindus put it nicely, they are manifestations of God. So if God is manifested in a tree, they worship that tree as God. That is pantheism, God is everywhere. Where they went arwy is that indeed God is everywhere and you do need need God to be manifested and worship the objects.
Half-right. Being omnipresent is quite different from pantheism. Pantheism does not just assert (by burdern of their very argument)that God is everywhere but rather God is everything. The tree, the human, the rock, everything is God and God is no distinct from matter or existence. This is quite different from the concept of being omnipresent
Whether there is something or nothing that GOD is not, that is not for you to judge. Your long post only shows one thing very clearly, you do not have FAITH in GOD, some form of God, yes, that makes you an idol worshipper on par with the seekers in Temples and Churches and Mosques.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:quote:The error as far as I can see is that they do not worship God as GOD. If one worships God as GOD, one cannot be wrong as indeed there is only one God.
If one puts his faith in GOD, then one cannot be wrong as there is only one GOD. Next we look at the Jews.
You are quite right when you say that one cannot be wrong if he worships GOD. But yet again I fear you appeal to jargon and statements that you go too far on.
Firstly one realizes that if this GOD is something, there are also somethings that He is NOT. More curiously He has made certain things about Himself clear to us that we may know what exactly we have faith in and what to do with it.
One might then make the curious observation that GOD would not be content to let the universe just run in any right or wrong way but demand a certain WAY for it to be run. And worshiping/ putting faith in such a God would mean surrendering our will such that it conforms to such a WAY. True enough one cannot go wrong if he follows this WAY.
Unfortunately if you are just suggesting blind faith in GOD and all my actions will be fine and water... then I believe you are quite mistaken. GOD never demands blind faith from us, He demands are comprehensible to us first by knowing and trusting that which we first do know about Him, and the faith is that which comes from that kind of trust, as opposed to a blind adherence to the notion that I have set my mind to be a fan of GOD and all my actions will make sense.
A child must first know his father to trust Him in all the uncomprehensible actions the grown-up will do, just making him trust in the existence of a parent will have him running to every grown-up, even those who mean him harm.
Obviously there is a logical need to know at least something about God, before you can have any faith. Any other then that would be to say that truth does not matter as long as I believe it hard enough.
THE people who cannot put their Faith in God unless they have a "notion" of God whether that notion is in the form of a statue or in the form of "intellectual " idols.... or to use your own words, "a logical need to know at least something about God, "
I let you on a secret. Does not disqualify you as far as God is concern, only that you have missed out on the fullness of FAITH in GOD. So what is FAITH in GOD? -
Put your FAITH in GOD. They word JUSTIFICATION is meant for the JEWS or people who had fallen into the JEWISH trap.Originally posted by vince69:CK
are you stuck or what? you just conviently ignored my question to you
Your "Justification by Faith", based on what? where do you put your faith in? -
ARGH! All u need is Abraham's story from the bible, Martin Luther's Sola fide, mix in some gnostic/new age elements, and u have CK's theology! It is not difficult to come out such theology. If u can't convince 'em, u confuse 'em!
Ironically, most of the "knowledge" he incorporate in his theology here seems to come from bible and Christianity....
Without the bible, dun think he will ever heard of Abraham, much less use him as an example (Icemoon - dun be funny and say he can read the Torah or the Qu'ran har!) -
what jewish trap?Originally posted by casino_king:Put your FAITH in GOD. They word JUSTIFICATION is meant for the JEWS or people who had fallen into the JEWISH trap.
please sustain your allegations.
please only accuse when you have proper evidence.
or else you are A LIAR. -
he can read "The Children Illustrated Guide to the Torah".Originally posted by laoda99:Without the bible, dun think he will ever heard of Abraham, much less use him as an example (Icemoon - dun be funny and say he can read the Torah or the Qu'ran har!)
or "Koran for Dummies". -
woo .. a secret .. thanks for the revelation.Originally posted by casino_king:I let you on a secret. Does not disqualify you as far as God is concern, only that you have missed out on the fullness of FAITH in GOD. So what is FAITH in GOD? -
version 1.0 of the game only has 3 levels. level 3 is final stage, with sillyme and sinned in god-mode.Originally posted by Chin Eng:I quite insulted leh! Only level 2 hah?.... but seriously, I agree with T-rex. I have stop taking CK seriously (shiz, I used "seriously" twice in one sentence!) a long time ago..... I suspect Vince feels that same way as me.
there is a bonus stage if you buy the expansion pack. -
Repented John in the expansion pack?Originally posted by Icemoon:version 1.0 of the game only has 3 levels. level 3 is final stage, with sillyme and sinned in god-mode.
there is a bonus stage if you buy the expansion pack. -
Repented John as one henchman of final stage boss.Originally posted by laoda99:Repented John in the expansion pack?
expansion pack is the Catholics. -
Do we get freebies such as wallpapers and extra videos in the game pack?Originally posted by Icemoon:Repented John as one henchman of final stage boss.
expansion pack is the Catholics. -
how come expansion is the RC?
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because, if you notice, they are not really participating in this "discussion" with CK.Originally posted by laurence82:how come expansion is the RC? -
oooo what is the name of this game?Originally posted by Icemoon:because, if you notice, they are not really participating in this "discussion" with CK. -
brey is in the hebrew edition!Originally posted by laoda99:Repented John in the expansion pack? -
This one got MMORPG version?
Can link to Battlenet?
Must pay monthly subscription for the MMORPG one? -
Uncle Chin Eng today "Chin Eng" also....no need work har?Originally posted by Chin Eng:brey is in the hebrew edition! -
I think also got PVP version where you must fight Buddhists, Taoists, Muslims, Jewish and Hindus
Or got team one, where you must ally with Buddhists, Taoists, Muslims, Jewish and Hindus
Buddhists i know is like a healer, the Hindus elemetal fire etc etc
Shiok sia