New Creation Church - Church of Cheap Grace?

• laurence82

  16 Nov 05, 14:00

  piangz
  
  i know icemoon agenda
  
  increase ratings means more flame, more flame means turmoil
  
  then icemoon will soon take over EH
  
  muahahahaha
  
  *me hum pinky and the brain, pinky and the brain*
  
  
• Icemoon

  16 Nov 05, 14:14

  Originally posted by laurence82:

  piangz
  
  i know icemoon agenda
  
  increase ratings means more flame, more flame means turmoil
  
  then icemoon will soon take over EH
  
  muahahahaha
  
  *me hum pinky and the brain, pinky and the brain*
  
  

  I have one skit coming out.
  
  Stay tuned.
• SingaporeMacross

  16 Nov 05, 14:15

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  The Reformers have this saying .. if you don't understand the cross you don't understand Christianity.
  
  Opps .. I know Luther said someting like that. But Calvin shd think likewise?
  
  Edit: can someone give me Luther's more accurate quote? Mc?

  It is sad that people have tried to divorce Jesus from the Cross.
• Icemoon

  16 Nov 05, 14:15

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  It is sad that people have tried to divorce Jesus from the Cross.

  no wonder Catholics like to present the two together in their church.
• SingaporeMacross

  16 Nov 05, 14:20

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  no wonder Catholics like to present the two together in their church.

  We are accused of worshipping crucifixes. Can we accuse our separated brothers of worshipping crosses?
• Icemoon

  16 Nov 05, 14:23

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  We are accused of worshipping crucifixes. Can we accuse our separated brothers of worshipping crosses?

  The separated brethens worship the bible.
  
  biblolators.
• SingaporeMacross

  16 Nov 05, 14:25

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  The separated brethens worship the bible.
  
  biblolators.

  no la, no la....
• John The Baptist

  17 Nov 05, 04:43

  Originally posted by The Emperor:

  This is for all Christians out there to reply. I would appreciate if u r from New Creation Church. Because I wanna ask one question which I dunno and indoubt myself.
  
  MANY CHC members do not like New Creation Church due to the doctrines they preach. CHC claimed that New Creation preached too much grace to their members. Is that true?
  
  Any comments dear brothers and sisters?

  I heard some message title from Rev Kong abt something like Amazing grace or crazy grace or something like that? What does it mean amazing vs crazy? Anyone from CHC here?
• John The Baptist

  17 Nov 05, 04:45

  Originally posted by breytonhartge:

  I will say this, each churches record speaks for itself, as to who is right and who is wrong, you have to decide. What people say ultimately is just that, a personal opinion on a matter. If you do not find anything wrong, then so be it.
  
  But if you do read the bible, the central message that Christ was preaching is about God's love and His grace. There is no such thing as cheap grace, it was bought with a price, the sacrifice of God's only son. Jesus. This was done freely for you and everyone else who calls on the name of the Lord.
  
  I have always maintained, Christianity is not about churches or people, it is about your own personal relationship with God.

  Yes, i agree on this pt.
• John The Baptist

  17 Nov 05, 04:47

  Originally posted by The Emperor:

  flame lor. but dun flame me. i've done nothing wrong. just asking for opinions. everyone's opinions are respected here.

  Yes, pls dont flame The Emperor bcos not his fault. Just give opinions.
• John The Baptist

  17 Nov 05, 04:57

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  Whoa, one megachurch versus another...
  
  I shall lie back and watch the show.

  The Clash of the Titans. King Kong vs Godzilla. Sith Lords vs the Jedi Masters. Predator vs Alien. Neo vs The Matrix. Superman vs Lux Luther. Spiderman vs Cyclops. Independence Day-World vs ETs.
• John The Baptist

  17 Nov 05, 05:00

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  Pastor Prince once preached this during midweek service, which I attended.
  
  I paraphrase a bit. You think the grace is cheap? You say cheap 'cos you weren't the one shedding the blood and the tears.
  
  It may be cheap to you .. but it doesn't come easily.
  

  Yes, grace on God's side is very expensive but how do we treat the grace on our side?
• John The Baptist

  17 Nov 05, 05:02

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  they are jealous lah.
  
  I pick NCC anytime. Doctrine, worship, preacher .. wins the Jurong one hands down.
  
  My 2 cents.

  How can they be jealous? I thot CHC very big plus very expensive building. Or is it bully kechil? My humble opinion.
• John The Baptist

  17 Nov 05, 05:06

  Originally posted by The Emperor:
  
  
  u got a point there. and pls dun refer it to "me" cos i never said it. i was using wad some chc members said and post it here to get opinions. so it should be "they".
  
  now, i think that wad they said could mean this since i was from that church for quite some time due to certain circumstances.
  
  their point maybe this - yes, Jesus shed His blood for us with His life. And through that, and to all who believe, received grace. and therefore, are saved. in short, we are saved by grace [b]through faith.
  
  i dunno what about u guyz. still, i'm open for any comments.[/b]

  Faith w/c is not of yourselves but a gift of God? Yes, I agree. Can only be saved by the blood of Jesus. It's the Holy Communion to Protestants or Eucharist to Catholics.
• John The Baptist

  17 Nov 05, 05:08

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  Be careful. Prince's message is that if you're too caught up with sin-catching .. you lapse back into the Law.
  
  And your life will be miserable. Imagine you see chio bu in Orchard and your mind repeats "thou shall not commit adultery .. thou shall not commit adultery .. "
  
  Btw .. the example is from Prince himself. Why this example? 'cos he said most of us only know this commandment.

  Well, men like women & women like men, so what's wrong? Unless men like men & women like women. Then, maybe something wrong.
• John The Baptist

  17 Nov 05, 05:10

  Originally posted by pqr:

  suffering is part of being a christian....paul and Jesus suffer so much for what then?

  Yes, I agree.
• John The Baptist

  17 Nov 05, 05:12

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  It is sad that people have tried to divorce Jesus from the Cross.

  Yes, it's very sad.
• Icemoon

  17 Nov 05, 11:05

  Originally posted by John The Baptist:

  Well, men like women & women like men, so what's wrong? Unless men like men & women like women. Then, maybe something wrong.

  it is nothing wrong if there is no spiritual adultery.
• John The Baptist

  17 Nov 05, 13:14

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  it is nothing wrong if there is no spiritual adultery.

  But how to prevent spiritual adultery? Scratch head.
• Icemoon

  17 Nov 05, 15:28

  Originally posted by John The Baptist:

  But how to prevent spiritual adultery? Scratch head.

  cannot. that's why learn to live by grace.
• M©+square

  17 Nov 05, 16:55

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  cannot. that's why learn to live by grace.

  *Fall off the chair.*
• Icemoon

  17 Nov 05, 17:12

  Originally posted by M©+square:

  *Fall off the chair.*

  "Oh is the chair all right?"
• OrneryBoy

  17 Nov 05, 22:01

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  cannot. that's why learn to live by grace.

  "live by faith, saved by grace"
• John The Baptist

  18 Nov 05, 07:21

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  cannot. that's why learn to live by grace.

  Then pls tell me how to live by grace?
• John The Baptist

  18 Nov 05, 07:23

  Originally posted by M©+square:

  *Fall off the chair.*

  Ambulance siren. Medics. Stretcher. Hospital. Warded. Treatment by doctors. Enjoy stay there ok?