New Creation Church - Church of Cheap Grace?
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Be careful. Prince's message is that if you're too caught up with sin-catching .. you lapse back into the Law.Originally posted by The Emperor:by the way, cheap grace can mean two things.
First is: We can sin whatever we like, however we like and God still forgives us when we confess and confess and confess like there's no repentence and still think that it's okay.
Second is: Too much focus on grace during preaching. For church system: An absence in the area of confronting members of their sin areas in their lives.
I think what makes CHC different from the rest of the other churches is that the leaders are not afraid to confront their members regarding their sin areas in their lives and strongly encourage them to be transformed.
And your life will be miserable. Imagine you see chio bu in Orchard and your mind repeats "thou shall not commit adultery .. thou shall not commit adultery .. "
Btw .. the example is from Prince himself. Why this example? 'cos he said most of us only know this commandment.
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okie. there's a point by being not too caught up with sin-catching or being too focus on the devil himself. but i believe that one should be aware of himself and his life because we r responsible for it. all of us know that sin is bad. so why not guard our hearts well? guarding our hearts is not sin-catching. it's defending our body (flesh), soul and spirit against the attacks from the dark realm.Originally posted by Icemoon:Be careful. Prince's message is that if you're too caught up with sin-catching .. you lapse back into the Law.
And your life will be miserable. Imagine you see chio bu in Orchard and your mind repeats "thou shall not commit adultery .. thou shall not commit adultery .. "
Btw .. the example is from Prince himself. Why this example? 'cos he said most of us only know this commandment.
well, i dunno lah. but it'll be good being in New Creation. -
YES to the statement above!Originally posted by breytonhartge:I have always maintained, Christianity is not about churches or people, it is about your own personal relationship with God.
p.s paiseh. I wanted to reply to this message last night, but couldn't get thru. CAnnot tahan liao. I go sleep.
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Good morning!!!Originally posted by breytonhartge:have a good rest MC and laurence... -
There should be a balance. I think issues about sufferings are still to be taught moderately, like apostle Peter did address this area.Originally posted by mach10:den wat? u wana preach sufferings???
Not sufferings as in sufferings of physical abuse or preachings which will lead to ministering the self pitys.
But give strong messages of healing and grace abounding from God to those who are emotionally suffering, spiritually tired and battered.
That's why there's this song God With Us - Don Moen.
I've heard it from Jo Prince in regards to addressing on people who are suffering. It's his heart's desire to set people's mindset free.
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hi mc, i haben sleep yet...
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Wah lau!!!!!Originally posted by laurence82:hi mc, i haben sleep yet...
Ah Lau!!!! Steady pom pi pi!!!!
Still doing your work ah?
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writing my resume and stuffOriginally posted by M©+square:Wah lau!!!!!
Ah Lau!!!! Steady pom pi pi!!!!
Still doing your work ah?
Cheers
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Orh.Originally posted by laurence82:writing my resume and stuff
ok we are diverging from topic...
MC goes back to sleep. Sick...
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I dont think we should judge a church based on other ppl's opinions... honestly, the experience can be very different for different ppl.
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suffering is part of being a christian....paul and Jesus suffer so much for what then?Originally posted by The Emperor:No. i dun wanna preach sufferings.
Please, read my english properly, i just want opinions.
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agree !Originally posted by M©+square:There should be a balance. I think issues about sufferings are still to be taught moderately, like apostle Peter did address this area.
Not sufferings as in sufferings of physical abuse or preachings which will lead to ministering the self pitys. -
you ok MC? Hey Lau, you should get some rest!Originally posted by M©+square:Orh.
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I caught a cold.Originally posted by breytonhartge:you ok MC? Hey Lau, you should get some rest!
Felt very coldish and feverish.
I don`t see JTB. He's late today.
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Get well soon!Originally posted by M©+square:I caught a cold.
Felt very coldish and feverish.
I don`t see JTB. He's late today.
Cheers
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I encouraged him to pray, reflect and repent mah.Originally posted by M©+square:I caught a cold.
Felt very coldish and feverish.
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Originally posted by Icemoon:I encouraged him to pray, reflect and repent mah.
You haven't share your views about the statement 'you cannot attain salvation'
I just want to see lah. I promise no arguements, no debates or counter attack.
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Yo thanks.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Get well soon!
No JTB, well at least it is quiet.. or would you rather it be noisy... ?
Hmm...without him. It feels like the threads are not moving.
Painfully slow.
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Exactly.Originally posted by pqr:suffering is part of being a christian....paul and Jesus suffer so much for what then?
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You really want this forum in turmoil hor?Originally posted by M©+square:Yo thanks.
Hmm...without him. It feels like the threads are not moving.
Painfully slow.
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at least it will boost the ratings!Originally posted by laurence82:You really want this forum in turmoil hor? 
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that is my agenda. heh.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:at least it will boost the ratings! -
Hai. That means you won't be answering my request liao...Originally posted by Icemoon:that is my agenda. heh. -
The Reformers have this saying .. if you don't understand the cross you don't understand Christianity.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Exactly.
You cannot talk about Jesus' resurrection without talking about his death.
Opps .. I know Luther said someting like that. But Calvin shd think likewise?
Edit: can someone give me Luther's more accurate quote? Mc? -
wah... now this thread looks like a crap box liao.