The last days and months of bendy buses

• carbikebus

  20 Oct 17, 18:26

  Originally posted by SMB128B:

  Hahaha what is LTA even doing? Adding new svcs so that more buses can be jammed in the basement? 

  You ask us to observe and I'm telling you that doing so will just be a sad waste of your time.

  Actually the left side of T2 basement where the CAG management park can convert into a side parking terminal for svc 36 and probably 34 with a proper rest area..

• SMB128B

  20 Oct 17, 20:31

  Originally posted by Zinger Burger:

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  这样一�，马路应该会宽敞一些，而�一个公车路线就�以用铰接客车�满足高乘客�的需求。

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  I understand your concern. I also think that the current infrastructure and planning is not able to allow every bus route use bendy buses to ply the Changi Airport basement car park.

  Regarding this point, the solution is to not allow buses to stop at the Changi Airport basement car park for too long. Instead, let the buses call at bus stops for only a few minutes and go off.

  Because from my observations, the car park road space is wide enough. The only issue is that many buses stop at the car park for too long, and there are bus drivers that park their bus at the side of the road and take a break at their office. It could be due to this that the Changi Airport basement car park seem to not have enough space for every bus route to use bendy buses, and only bus route 858 uses bendy buses.

  If we change the current operating model to an arrangement similar to an average bus stop, where buses just stop for a few minutes then go, I believe the basement car park would probably not have traffic congestion issue, and every bus route can use bendy buses to enter the Changi Airport basement car park to serve passengers.

  Of course, I understand that there are bus routes that originate at the Changi Airport basement car park. Then change the routing lor, by extending those bus routes to originate at surrounding bus terminals. For example, bus route 36 can be extended to Changi Business Park or Tampines Concourse, instead of originating at the Changi Airport basement carpark.

  This way, the roads would probably be wider a bit, and every bus route could use bendy buses to meet the demand for high capacity.

  Hopefully, someone can raise this suggestion to the authorities, and not just let this be an online discussion topic only.

  Pity you spent so long trying to translate a pointless post into some broken Chinese.. You totally don't get my concern LOL. It's not just T2 that's the problem. Every single terminal, even if just a bus stop which they are now, gets clogged from the security checks to the tiny parking berths and passageways. The basement was designed to handle ground passengers from decades ago — which has increased exponentially due to more retail and F&B in public areas, an increase in ground staff as CGA grows, and of course the rise of LCC which meant more cost-conscious travellers who wanna ditch the cab.

• iveco

  20 Oct 17, 22:11

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  I heard they might purchased a few more bendies leh

  Should get Volvo B8RLEA €6 with Volgren Optimus body, since we already have B9TLs on our shores. Not to mention the new contract to supply hybrid vehicles. 

• carbikebus

  21 Oct 17, 05:49

  Originally posted by iveco:

  Should get Volvo B8RLEA €6 with Volgren Optimus body, since we already have B9TLs on our shores. Not to mention the new contract to supply hybrid vehicles. 

  Can it manoeuvre easily at Airport basements?

• randomguy10

  22 Oct 17, 20:48

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  I heard they might purchased a few more bendies leh

  I think they should. Now that a few units are transferred to SBST and drivers are training, LTA should buy more A24s. I think a fleet of 100 should give good economics of scale in terms of maintenance and spare parts and also serve the areas where bendys are needed. I think the purchase shld be done early next year or Dec 2017 when the Batch 1 O405Gs deregister.

• carbikebus

  22 Oct 17, 21:54

  Originally posted by randomguy10:

  I think they should. Now that a few units are transferred to SBST and drivers are training, LTA should buy more A24s. I think a fleet of 100 should give good economics of scale in terms of maintenance and spare parts and also serve the areas where bendys are needed. I think the purchase shld be done early next year or Dec 2017 when the Batch 1 O405Gs deregister.

  Agreed..Maybe 140 including the SMB ones in SG is enough..Use it for shorter distance high loading feeders and Airport svc only..No need for CBD or mid/long trunk

• SMB128B

  22 Oct 17, 23:05

  With the recent developments happening with 858 and 110 in CGA I CANNOT EMPHASISE MORE for the need for the procurement of extra bendies to kick out them rigids! Esp with those Shitaros filling up!

  Those who keep saying SG no need bendies whatsoever clearly are living in their IVORY TOWERS and have no idea the situation on the ground! Poor folks crammed into squeezy Shitaros that are constantly delayed due to bunching, as a result of the need to spam buses due to the shitaro's puny capacity! You say bendies add to congestion — the real cause of congestion are spammed rigids clogging up security checks, bus bays! Coz now, you need two buses to clear instead of a big bus one shot!

  And it's an absolute FALLACY that there is insufficient land space for bendies, particularly for depots, because now depots are built UNDERGROUND and are MULTI STOREY, giving ample provision for more bendy buses! The newest development, aka the East Coast integrated transportation complex, is (coincidentally?) 10 min away from CGA, and 5 min away from T5, making it perfect for CGA svcs!

  Those who thinks SG cannot accommodate new bendies need to WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! Face it, CAAS ain't gonna change current PTB arrangements for buses! Face it, CGA has infra for more bendies, as seen in the design of long and wide roads for buses in T4! Face it, SMRT is refusing to switch back to the A22! And face it, new developments have made space a non issue!

  The only reason ppl will still complain despite such truths is because they are salty of buses blocking their way when they drive their nice cars on the road! Hello, not everyone can drive like you.. so get off your high horses and spare a thought!

• carbikebus

  23 Oct 17, 12:49

  Originally posted by SMB128B:

  With the recent developments happening with 858 and 110 in CGA I CANNOT EMPHASISE MORE for the need for the procurement of extra bendies to kick out them rigids! Esp with those Shitaros filling up!

  Those who keep saying SG no need bendies whatsoever clearly are living in their IVORY TOWERS and have no idea the situation on the ground! Poor folks crammed into squeezy Shitaros that are constantly delayed due to bunching, as a result of the need to spam buses due to the shitaro's puny capacity! You say bendies add to congestion — the real cause of congestion are spammed rigids clogging up security checks, bus bays! Coz now, you need two buses to clear instead of a big bus one shot!

  And it's an absolute FALLACY that there is insufficient land space for bendies, particularly for depots, because now depots are built UNDERGROUND and are MULTI STOREY, giving ample provision for more bendy buses! The newest development, aka the East Coast integrated transportation complex, is (coincidentally?) 10 min away from CGA, and 5 min away from T5, making it perfect for CGA svcs!

  Those who thinks SG cannot accommodate new bendies need to WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! Face it, CAAS ain't gonna change current PTB arrangements for buses! Face it, CGA has infra for more bendies, as seen in the design of long and wide roads for buses in T4! Face it, SMRT is refusing to switch back to the A22! And face it, new developments have made space a non issue!

  The only reason ppl will still complain despite such truths is because they are salty of buses blocking their way when they drive their nice cars on the road! Hello, not everyone can drive like you.. so get off your high horses and spare a thought!

  Wakakakaka

• A22 fan

  23 Oct 17, 14:40

  @SMB128B Well said.

• sgbuses

  25 Oct 17, 00:07

  Originally posted by SMB128B:

  With the recent developments happening with 858 and 110 in CGA I CANNOT EMPHASISE MORE for the need for the procurement of extra bendies to kick out them rigids! Esp with those Shitaros filling up!

  Those who keep saying SG no need bendies whatsoever clearly are living in their IVORY TOWERS and have no idea the situation on the ground! Poor folks crammed into squeezy Shitaros that are constantly delayed due to bunching, as a result of the need to spam buses due to the shitaro's puny capacity! You say bendies add to congestion — the real cause of congestion are spammed rigids clogging up security checks, bus bays! Coz now, you need two buses to clear instead of a big bus one shot!

  And it's an absolute FALLACY that there is insufficient land space for bendies, particularly for depots, because now depots are built UNDERGROUND and are MULTI STOREY, giving ample provision for more bendy buses! The newest development, aka the East Coast integrated transportation complex, is (coincidentally?) 10 min away from CGA, and 5 min away from T5, making it perfect for CGA svcs!

  Those who thinks SG cannot accommodate new bendies need to WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! Face it, CAAS ain't gonna change current PTB arrangements for buses! Face it, CGA has infra for more bendies, as seen in the design of long and wide roads for buses in T4! Face it, SMRT is refusing to switch back to the A22! And face it, new developments have made space a non issue!

  The only reason ppl will still complain despite such truths is because they are salty of buses blocking their way when they drive their nice cars on the road! Hello, not everyone can drive like you.. so get off your high horses and spare a thought!

  I can see that ordering A24s now will get you the newer bodywork...but the only new buses for 2018 will be just the 50 hybrids.

• SMB145B

  25 Oct 17, 16:48

  Originally posted by sgbuses:

  I can see that ordering A24s now will get you the newer bodywork...but the only new buses for 2018 will be just the 50 hybrids.

  the 50 hybrids is most likely to be just one of the purchases made by LTA. they might expand the PO to include more hybrids and some rigids, DDs and bendies (for CGA bound svcs and some feeders)

• SMB145B

  25 Oct 17, 16:49

  the thought of some O530Gs is just going irk him (cuitaro getting longer)

• Marvel68

  25 Oct 17, 17:28

  Originally posted by SMB145B:

  the thought of some O530Gs is just going irk him (cuitaro getting longer)

  Nah should order even more rigid Citaros to replace the outgoing DM3500s, VO3x, Tridents and 0405Gs. Mercedes Benz Citaros galore 

• Formususeonly

  25 Oct 17, 17:47

  Originally posted by Marvel68:

  Nah should order even more rigid Citaros to replace the outgoing DM3500s, VO3x, Tridents and 0405Gs. Mercedes Benz Citaros galore 

  I will make sure I burn all excess Shitaro that is purchased. 

• carbikebus

  25 Oct 17, 18:24

  Originally posted by Formususeonly:

  I will make sure I burn all excess Shitaro that is purchased. 

  Becareful what you post bro,sway2 any depot caught fire you be the prime suspect.

• SMB128B

  25 Oct 17, 18:26

  Originally posted by Marvel68:

  Nah should order even more rigid Citaros to replace the outgoing DM3500s, VO3x, Tridents and 0405Gs. Mercedes Benz Citaros galore 

  Yea what a good idea, heck let's dereg all the B9s, the KUBs, the MANs, and replace ALL with second hand 2005 model from Berlin and Munich yea?? I heard some ppl miss no air con era? These will be perfect coz European model no air con too!

• SMB145B

  25 Oct 17, 18:28

  Originally posted by Formususeonly:

  I will make sure I burn all excess Shitaro that is purchased. 

  ... i don't know what to say.

• SMB145B

  25 Oct 17, 18:30

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  Becareful what you post bro,sway2 any depot caught fire you be the prime suspect.

  i suspect that AMK fire is started with this which killed many svc 25 buses including some demo buses.

• SMB145B

  25 Oct 17, 18:31

  Originally posted by SMB128B:

  Yea what a good idea, heck let's dereg all the B9s, the KUBs, the MANs, and replace ALL with second hand 2005 model from Berlin and Munich yea?? I heard some ppl miss no air con era? These will be perfect coz European model no air con too!

  sarcasm detected.

• carbikebus

  25 Oct 17, 18:53

  Originally posted by SMB128B:

  Yea what a good idea, heck let's dereg all the B9s, the KUBs, the MANs, and replace ALL with second hand 2005 model from Berlin and Munich yea?? I heard some ppl miss no air con era? These will be perfect coz European model no air con too!

  Replace with King longs,Zhongtongs,Tingtongs and don’t forget to bid $300m for 26 services also to cut cost.

• AntiDennisLance

  25 Oct 17, 18:59

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  Replace with King longs,Zhongtongs,Tingtongs and don’t forget to bid $300m for 26 services also to cut cost.

  I am sure Lances will be perfect for 190 and 972 too!

• carbikebus

  25 Oct 17, 19:04

  Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:

  I am sure Lances will be perfect for 190 and 972 too!

  Oh I don’t mind at all...

• sgbuses

  25 Oct 17, 19:21

  Originally posted by SMB128B:

  Yea what a good idea, heck let's dereg all the B9s, the KUBs, the MANs, and replace ALL with second hand 2005 model from Berlin and Munich yea?? I heard some ppl miss no air con era? These will be perfect coz European model no air con too!

  How many times do I have to tell the bus lobbyists to be careful about what they wished for?

  Every new bus was great because it was in a brand new condition. The party period of brand new buses frequently being registered and pushed into service is ending soon.

  So how are the lobbyists going to manage with that? Are they encouraging "fleet mixing" in small quantities to create the potential of more cameos?

• Gus.chong

  25 Oct 17, 20:08

  Originally posted by sgbuses:

  How many times do I have to tell the bus lobbyists to be careful about what they wished for?

  Every new bus was great because it was in a brand new condition. The party period of brand new buses frequently being registered and pushed into service is ending soon.

  So how are the lobbyists going to manage with that? Are they encouraging "fleet mixing" in small quantities to create the potential of more cameos?

  I should also say that a huge number of B9TLs and Scania K230UBs are already midway through their lifespans. I believe you all would agree with me that time do fly fast since the first time I know of them.

• carbikebus

  25 Oct 17, 20:10

  I am sure to miss those O405Gs...Gradually replaced by B9TL & a few A95.