The last days and months of bendy buses

• A22 fan

  18 Oct 17, 23:22

  195 obviously a good choice.105 plys woeful routes but the demand is still there. Even though a certain percentage of duplication with 106 of TT.

• array88

  19 Oct 17, 01:34

  My take:

  15, 33, 105, 124, 131, 138, 195.

  Not sure if all these routes are bendy-friendly, though.

• BusAnalayzer

  19 Oct 17, 04:34

  Originally posted by array88:

  My take:

  15, 33, 105, 124, 131, 138, 195.

  Not sure if all these routes are bendy-friendly, though.

  15, 33 would find it extremely difficult to manouvre along Joo Chiat Place with bendies. 138 does not need bendies. 195 has already been deemed unfit for bendies. 105 and 131 are doing fine with the current fleet. 124 is the one that needs HC buses but I don't see any reason why LTA cannot provide DDs if they trim trees along Telok Blangah estate. Just one, two roads remaining, rest are DD friendly.

   

• SBS2792K

  19 Oct 17, 07:52

  Originally posted by array88:

  My take:

  15, 33, 105, 124, 131, 138, 195.

  Not sure if all these routes are bendy-friendly, though.

  138 DD friendly but not deployed with DD

• A22 fan

  19 Oct 17, 14:07

  138 demand low most of the time except on weekends and public holidays.

• BusAnalayzer

  19 Oct 17, 17:40

  Originally posted by A22 fan:

  138 demand low most of the time except on weekends and public holidays.

  138 demand will fall even further with 860 introduced to YCK MRT. 

• Paulautumn020

  19 Oct 17, 18:37

  铰接客车应该�会在�预�的将�被淘汰。

  Bendy buses will probably not retire in the foreseeable future.

• BusAnalayzer

  19 Oct 17, 18:39

  Originally posted by Paulautumn020:

  �铰接客车�会在�预�的将�被淘汰。

  Bendy buses will not retire in the foreseeable future.

  Will not retire, but reduce significantly in number. It will be like "wow... i spotted a bendy today" like we were doing with the VO3x. 

• Paulautumn020

  19 Oct 17, 18:48

  咱们觉得铰接客车以��会在樟宜机场和那些�能容纳�层巴士的路段行驶。

  In future, bendy buses would probably only be found at Changi Airport and at areas where double-decker buses cannot access.

• Paulautumn020

  19 Oct 17, 19:03

  有一些路线是真的很需�用到高乘客�的巴士，但就是因为有一些路段�能容纳�层巴士而�能够用低乘客�的�层巴士，比方说105�公车路线。�如这些路线�以使用铰接客车的�，乘�这些公车路线的舒适程度应该会有所��。

  There are bus routes that require high capacity buses, but could only use the low capacity single-decker buses as some roads cannot accommodate double-decker buses, such as bus route 105. If these routes can use bendy buses, I believe the comfort level on these bus routes would increase.

• vicamour

  19 Oct 17, 21:04

  Originally posted by Paulautumn020:

  �铰接客车应该�会在�预�的将�被淘汰。

  Bendy buses will not retire in the foreseeable future.

  The last batch of the 40 bendies will run for another 15 years till their lifespan expires and there will be no more.

  Meanwhile LTA will be sorting out the viable solutions on how the current airport services and a few services with height constraints, which adds up to a handful, are to continue operations when the last bendy bus retires. Most likely they might add on a few services to divert the crowds, use short working trips for areas of these routes that have high demands but do not need to go to the airport, or creative route amendments as in 807 and 860 case. Else they may alter the infrastructures that can accommodate double deckers. 

  It's going to be interesting observations and changes for these services in the years going forward. 

   

• Paulautumn020

  19 Oct 17, 22:39

  Originally posted by vicamour:

  The last batch of the 40 bendies will run for another 15 years till their lifespan expires and there will be no more.

  Meanwhile LTA will be sorting out the viable solutions on how the current airport services and a few services with height constraints, which adds up to a handful, are to continue operations when the last bendy bus retires. Most likely they might add on a few services to divert the crowds, use short working trips for areas of these routes that have high demands but do not need to go to the airport, or creative route amendments as in 807 and 860 case. Else they may alter the infrastructures that can accommodate double deckers. 

  It's going to be interesting observations and changes for these services in the years going forward. 

   

  设施应该是足够容纳铰接客车的，�微调整一下就�以了。

  我倒觉得机场巴士路线将永久使用铰接客车，除�到时候 Cross Island Line 和 Thomson East Coast Line 开了以�，乘客们对机场巴士的需求�少，机场巴士路线�有�能全用低乘客�的�层巴士��。

  至于未�会�生什么事情，我们难以确认，因为局势一直�断的�化。然而，目��以确定的是在�预�的未�，铰接客车是�会被淘汰，因为机场和一些路段是�能容纳�层巴士，而��穿行这些地方的巴士路线需�高乘客�巴士，我们还是需�铰接客车�满足乘客们的需求。

  The infrastructure should be able to accommodate bendy buses. Probably just a few adjustments would be required.

  I feel that the airport bus routes will always require bendy buses, unless one day when the Cross Island Line and Thomson East Coast Line open and the passenger demand no longer require the bus routes to have high capacity buses.

  As for what will happen in future, we are unable to confirm, because the situation keeps changing. Nonetheless, what we can confirm is that bendy buses will not be disqualified in the foreseeable future. Because the airport and some areas cannot accommodate double-decker buses, as long as the bus routes plying these places require high capacity buses, we will still require bendy buses to meet the passenger demand.

• SMB128B

  19 Oct 17, 23:06

  Originally posted by vicamour:

  The last batch of the 40 bendies will run for another 15 years till their lifespan expires and there will be no more.

  Meanwhile LTA will be sorting out the viable solutions on how the current airport services and a few services with height constraints, which adds up to a handful, are to continue operations when the last bendy bus retires. Most likely they might add on a few services to divert the crowds, use short working trips for areas of these routes that have high demands but do not need to go to the airport, or creative route amendments as in 807 and 860 case. Else they may alter the infrastructures that can accommodate double deckers. 

  It's going to be interesting observations and changes for these services in the years going forward. 

   

  Keep on waiting... I bet w you 50 big that at least for the next decade... buses will continue going into the basements... they had a great chance to build a new terminal, and they decided to fk it...

• A22 fan

  20 Oct 17, 01:58

  Bendies are still very useful even though they take up more road space.

• vicamour

  20 Oct 17, 08:19

  Originally posted by Paulautumn020:

  设施应该是足够容纳铰接客车的，�微调整一下就�以了。

  我倒觉得机场巴士路线将永久使用铰接客车，除�到时候 Cross Island Line 和 Thomson East Coast Line 开了以�，乘客们对机场巴士的需求�少，机场巴士路线�有�能全用低乘客�的�层巴士��。

  至于未�会�生什么事情，我们难以确认，因为局势一直�断的�化。然而，目��以确定的是在�预�的未�，铰接客车是�会被淘汰，因为机场和一些路段是�能容纳�层巴士，而��穿行这些地方的巴士路线需�高乘客�巴士，我们还是需�铰接客车�满足乘客们的需求。

  The infrastructure should be able to accommodate bendy buses. Probably just a few adjustments would be required.

  I feel that the airport bus routes will always require bendy buses, unless one day when the Cross Island Line and Thomson East Coast Line open and the passenger demand no longer require the bus routes to have high capacity buses.

  As for what will happen in future, we are unable to confirm, because the situation keeps changing. Nonetheless, what we can confirm is that bendy buses will not be disqualified in the foreseeable future. Because the airport and some areas cannot accommodate double-decker buses, as long as the bus routes plying these places require high capacity buses, we will still require bendy buses to meet the passenger demand.

  You see, that's the plan.

  Thomson East Coast and Cross Island lines will be built in the next 15 years, whereby the last bendies will be withdrawn from service. By then, the demands will be diverted to these lines and the loadings of the current bus services in the airport will be lessen.

  While you have said airport bus terminal can support bendies only, but that's only for one service. Terminal 3 and 1 bus terminal is too small and narrow to accommodate more bendies. On top of that, every terminal requires a security check before entrance. The bus queue will be very long if there are many of these long buses in the waiting queue and thus will even delay other vehicles for the airport services. 

  For now, the bendies are still in use because there are 15 years to go for the 40 A24s. LTA don't want to waste them. Once they have found other solutions to replace the bendies, airport services will not even need these bendies anymore. 

• vicamour

  20 Oct 17, 08:20

  Originally posted by SMB128B:

  Keep on waiting... I bet w you 50 big that at least for the next decade... buses will continue going into the basements... they had a great chance to build a new terminal, and they decided to fk it...

  No need to bet.

  Go observe what LTA is doing instead.

• TIB967T

  20 Oct 17, 11:23

  Originally posted by SG5064X:

  300 seem to be using 1 or 2 A24 daily from my observation.

  Because 300/302 bc will rotate every 2 weeks, and they will bring their buses along with them.

• carbikebus

  20 Oct 17, 12:14

  Originally posted by vicamour:

  No need to bet.

  Go observe what LTA is doing instead.

  I heard they might purchased a few more bendies leh

• SMB128B

  20 Oct 17, 12:27

  Originally posted by vicamour:

  No need to bet.

  Go observe what LTA is doing instead.

  Hahaha what is LTA even doing? Adding new svcs so that more buses can be jammed in the basement? 

  You ask us to observe and I'm telling you that doing so will just be a sad waste of your time.

• carbikebus

  20 Oct 17, 12:51

  Originally posted by SMB128B:

  Hahaha what is LTA even doing? Adding new svcs so that more buses can be jammed in the basement? 

  You ask us to observe and I'm telling you that doing so will just be a sad waste of your time.

  He anti-bendies and SMRT la

• Zinger Burger

  20 Oct 17, 18:09

  Originally posted by vicamour:

  You see, that's the plan.

  Thomson East Coast and Cross Island lines will be built in the next 15 years, whereby the last bendies will be withdrawn from service. By then, the demands will be diverted to these lines and the loadings of the current bus services in the airport will be lessen.

  While you have said airport bus terminal can support bendies only, but that's only for one service. Terminal 3 and 1 bus terminal is too small and narrow to accommodate more bendies. On top of that, every terminal requires a security check before entrance. The bus queue will be very long if there are many of these long buses in the waiting queue and thus will even delay other vehicles for the airport services. 

  For now, the bendies are still in use because there are 15 years to go for the 40 A24s. LTA don't want to waste them. Once they have found other solutions to replace the bendies, airport services will not even need these bendies anymore. 

  其实，有关机场的链接性，咱们觉得新隆高�没有开到樟宜机场很�惜。唯一链接机场的��线�有东西线，跨岛线和汤申东海岸线。

  然而，至于以�有了跨岛线和汤申东海岸线巴士还需�需�有高乘客�，那就�看那些穿行机场的��站有没有缓解乘客们对公车的�赖。

  Actually, regarding the airport connectivity, I feel that it’s a pity that the Singapore-Kuala Lumpur High Speed Rail will not run to Changi Airport. The only rail lines that connect to the airport are East West Line, Cross Island Line and Thomson East Coast Line.

  Nonetheless, as to whether the buses have to have high capacity after the opening of Cross Island Line and Thomson East Coast Line, that would have to see whether the airport stations got relieve the passenger demand for public buses.

• carbikebus

  20 Oct 17, 18:14

  After Paula,Now Zinger Burger...Really powderful ah You gekpohboy 

• Zinger Burger

  20 Oct 17, 18:15

  Originally posted by SMB128B:

  Hahaha what is LTA even doing? Adding new svcs so that more buses can be jammed in the basement? 

  You ask us to observe and I'm telling you that doing so will just be a sad waste of your time.

  我明白你的忧虑。咱们也认为目�的设备和规划并�足以让�一个公车路线有铰接客车穿行樟宜机场地下�车场。

  对于这一点，解决方案就是��让巴士��在樟宜机场地下�车场太久，而是�一般的巴士站这样�一两分钟就走。因为�我所观察，�车场的路是够宽的，��过有很多巴士在哪儿��很久，甚至有巴士车长把巴士�在一边关掉引擎到他们的休�室休�一会儿。�能就是因为这样所以樟宜机场地下�车场显得�够宽敞让�一个巴士路线使用铰接客车，而�有858�公车路线能够用铰接客车。

  如果把目�的��模����巴士站一般的模�，就是巴士开到车站让乘客上下车，大约一两分钟就走，相信地下�车场�能就�会有交通阻塞的现象，而�一个巴士路线都�以使用铰接客车进入樟宜机场地下�车场�务乘客。

  当然，咱们明白有一些巴士路线是在樟宜机场地下�车场出�的，那么改�啊，把那些巴士路线延伸到周围的巴士车站出�。比方说36�公车路线，该路线�以延伸到樟宜商业园或淡滨尼广场，无需在樟宜机场地下�车场出�。

  这样一�，�路应该会宽敞一些，而�一个公车路线就�以用铰接客车�满足高乘客�的需求。

  希望有人�以�当局�出这个��，而�是让这一点徘徊在网路交�平�当�讨论点�而已。

  I understand your concern. I also think that the current infrastructure and planning is not able to allow every bus route to use bendy buses to ply the Changi Airport basement car park.

  Regarding this point, the solution is to not allow buses to stop at the Changi Airport basement car park for too long. Instead, let the buses call at bus stops for only a few minutes and go off.

  Because from my observations, the car park road space is wide enough. The only issue is that many buses stop at the car park for too long, and there are bus drivers that park their bus at the side of the road and take a break at their office. It could be due to this that the Changi Airport basement car park seem to not have enough space for every bus route to use bendy buses, and only bus route 858 uses bendy buses.

  If we change the current operating model to an arrangement similar to an average bus stop, where buses just stop for a few minutes then go, I believe the basement car park would probably not have traffic congestion issue, and every bus route can use bendy buses to enter the Changi Airport basement car park to serve passengers.

  Of course, I understand that there are bus routes that originate at the Changi Airport basement car park. Then change the routing lor, by extending those bus routes to originate at surrounding bus terminals. For example, bus route 36 can be extended to Changi Business Park or Tampines Concourse, instead of originating at the Changi Airport basement carpark.

  This way, the roads would probably be wider a bit, and every bus route could use bendy buses to meet the demand for high capacity.

  Hopefully, someone can raise this suggestion to the authorities, and not just let this be an online discussion topic only.

• Zinger Burger

  20 Oct 17, 18:22

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• carbikebus

  20 Oct 17, 18:24

  Nonsense la you..create so many username for what?To piss more ppl?