SMRT trials MAN double-decker bus
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Originally posted by SBS351M:
Under the contracting model, I don't think LTA will buy buses for specific operators, they will make purchases based on their own decisions, and would distribute the buses to the operators based on the contractual agreements and operational needs of the areas they serve in, it is similar to what is being done in London (Borismasters only), Perth and Adelaide. And even under the BSEP scheme, LTA wasn't the one who made the fleet decisions, as they simply funded part of the orders SBS and SMRT made.
Off topic: The last sentence is why I think sgwiki is inaccurate. They have terms such as BSEP Batch 1, 2 and 3 for the B9TL Wrights. The fact is the BSEP buses are part of the same orders as the regular buses, ie 3300-3329 are actually Batch 2 Wrights; 3330 to 3448 are actually Batch 3 Wrights and 3449 onwards are Batch 4 Wrights, all of which were allocated as BSEP Buses. Of course you would know that there is no batch 1 Wrights that are under BSEP. The body numbers and to a large extent, the VINs confirm this.
Then I have came across "batch 4" MAN A22s on another website I can't remember. Unless SMRT has made an announcement about it, there is no such thing as yet. Apparently someone treated the Voith A22s as another batch, they are not. Officially, as of today, there are only 3 batches of A22s purchased by SMRT, whether or not the specification of the gearbox specification changes does not change this fact. Always check the official press releases (if there are any) before putting up the info.
Reason: There was a similar situation 10 years ago here where a bus fan created his own designation for a certain type of bus with a different body from an earlier batch of buses and rumour was that the manufacturer wasn't too happy about it as it led people to think that they had a new product. Similarly, these cases could lead people to think that a bus company has made additional orders when there were none.
Base on their own decisions? Ya?
That's why the whole point of my post was LTA should have buy JUST Citaros (and Wrights) for BSEP for both operators at start. Since there's some who wants to keep the no. of models low here...
I think you misunderstood at start..
"And infact, if LTA wish to standalise, they should order BSEP Citaro for SMRT rather than MAN~ even better~~ ""RATHER THAN" ... nobody is saying that they should buy more SDs now...
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Every A95, there's something
different You can say 5890A & 5891Y same, but 5892U will be more eyecatching...
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
You can say 5890A & 5891Y same, but 5892U will be more eyecatching...
Eye catching? Hmm. Obvious difference then I suppose. Maybe different shape of bodywork? Idk... or maybe different livery. Hope one day we will have A95 with black space above the front door (like the KMB/NLB ones).
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Base on their own decisions? Ya?
That's why the whole point of my post was LTA should have buy JUST Citaros (and Wrights) for BSEP for both operators at start. Since there's some who wants to keep the no. of models low here...
I think you misunderstood at start..
"And infact, if LTA wish to standalise, they should order BSEP Citaro for SMRT rather than MAN~ even better~~ ""RATHER THAN" ... nobody is saying that they should buy more SDs now...
I think you do not understand how BSEP works with regards to bus purchasing. BSEP was launched at a time when LTA had little say in bus purchasing, as they probably did not have a team of people set up for this purpose. BSEP involves funding part of the orders SBS and SMRT have made, ultimately SBS and SMRT had the final say in what buses to buy under BSEP. As per press releases, the two stages of BSEP covers 1000 buses.
Now that we have moved on to the contracting model, LTA will most likely be buying the buses themselves if they are to follow what London and Perth etc are doing. This is not BSEP, but rather part of duties the governent has to take under the contracting model.
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Originally posted by SBS351M:
Now that we have moved on to the contracting model, LTA will most likely be buying the buses themselves if they are to follow what London and Perth etc are doing. This is not BSEP, but rather part of duties the governent has to take under the contracting model.
To add on, I just found out from the government directories that LTA now has team of people to take care of bus assets. So from now on, I do expect LTA to be able to make decisions on what buses to buy, and allocating buses to operators. I will not be surprised if the recent transfers of SMRT BSEP buses to Bulim depot may be as a result of this to prepare for the handover to Tower Transit, though this is still a speculation. In such a case, in the future, we are likely to move to a situation like London, Perth etc scenairo where buses are bought by the government and allocated to operators, whether the operators like the choice of buses allocated or not is another matter altogether.
Link: http://app.sgdi.gov.sg/listing.asp?agency_subtype=dept&agency_id=0000026768
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Registered on 29th October 2015:
SMB5892U
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so i suppose this is the bus which the photos were posted on fb recently when the bus was spotted unpainted..
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5892U - 969 [WL NEW]
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
5892U - 969 [WL NEW]
Good riddance!I hope a few also goes to AMDEP too.
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
5892U - 969 [WL NEW]
no wonder i saw the bus i'm like wow! hope more to come i guess?
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
5892U - 969 [WL NEW]
Today
SMB5892U - 850E/969 -
Originally posted by carbikebus:
Good riddance!I hope a few also goes to AMDEP too.
Apparently they transfer some A22s from WL to AMDEP also hahah..
882 also transfered to AMDEP..211T included.
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
Apparently they transfer some A22s from WL to AMDEP also hahah..
882 also transfered to AMDEP..211T included.
Redundant to take 882,Should have take 4 duties from service suchs as 960 or even 966.
I got a feeling that the first 16 will goes to KJDEP(6 units),WLDEP(6 units) & AMDEP(4 units).
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Or could they have ordered a number of A95s that will replace the number of BSEP E500s which are going over to TT?
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
128B bro is right... MAN is the one pushing demonstrators out to operators, to try to regain the RHD DD market. But it is a difficult task. E500MMC is specially designed and tweaked for the HK market, with steep staircases that allows the highest carrying capacity, and a reliable and familiar 340hp Cummins engine that delivers the torque to climb its many hills.
Tender results recently have not been in favour of MAN too. NWFB and Discovery Bay newest types will be B9TL Wrights, KMB started taking delivery of steep staircase B9TL Wrights recently, and CTB is just taking in Enviro's and Youngman's. MAN buses have traditionally been associated with New Lantau Bus and Park Island's bus services in HK, but even Sunlongs can overcome their 1:6 slopes in Tung Chung now! The odds are stacked against MAN in HK. Too little, too late. So if the Singaporean RHD market is not huge enough for MAN, you will expect to see them giving up on RHD development after a few years.
Not really. With the benefit of hindsight, requesting SMRT to trial SMB5888H was IMO a shrewd move. The timing of A95's development and launch could not be better.
If MAN continues to play its cards right (it seems to be so far), they can fully recoup the A95 development costs, give away all their A95 demonstrators for free and still make a profit.
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Not really. With the benefit of hindsight, requesting SMRT to trial SMB5888H was IMO a shrewd move. The timing of A95's development and launch could not be better.
If MAN continues to play its cards right (it seems to be so far), they can fully recoup the A95 development costs, give away all their A95 demonstrators for free and still make a profit.
Agreed. Anyway if all else fails, there's always the RHD open top DD market which A95 is also a player in (remember Sun Fai and Toyo Travel).
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I got a feeling that SMRT will buy only 50-60 units maximum.
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
Registered on 29th October 2015:
SMB5892U
Just one... woof
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Originally posted by CB2883J:
Agreed. Anyway if all else fails, there's always the RHD open top DD market which A95 is also a player in (remember Sun Fai and Toyo Travel).
they have competition from AnKai in that section.
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Originally posted by iveco:
they have competition from AnKai in that section.
See how. So far only Big Bus has bought Ankais that I remember, and that may be part of a global strategy thing since the Big bus in the rest of the world also bought Ankais. Yet to be seen how A95 performs as open-top in HK.
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1 NEW A95 otw to WLDEP, no logo/rego yet. Spotted by fellow enthu this afternoon..possibly SMB5893S.
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Deploy those A95s on service that terminate or loop at SBST territories.
61,67,167,169,172,176,180,187,188,190
851,854,855,963,965,966 & 985
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Deploy those A95s on Service 77, 171, 173 and 970
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Deploy those A95s on service that terminate or loop at SBST territories.
61,67,167,169,172,176,180,187,188,190
851,854,855,963,965,966 & 985
5892U - 963 this morning.
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Originally posted by TIB429E:
5892U - 963 this morning.
Good to hear that.