Originally posted by Bikeforceful:
Although generally I tend to agree with you . BUT there are some kids that seem to be very difficult to manage whilst others are simply delightful even from infancy. Nevertheless the nurture indeed is very important. Also at a extremely young age some kids do not really understand right from wrong and even if you explain until you turn blue, it ain't going to work. But a light smack is very quickily understood, even though Palovian!
I find people everywhere the same, either they can do it, or they can't . if the character is fixed there is nothing you can do.
same goes for kids, if you don't teah them the good values before 3-5 it'll be too late.
by then you can only smack them enough to hope they'll understand society has boundries before society smacks them harder.
kid's are smart enough from infancy to know how to push against their boundries, you have to set it then. if you let them get used to it as an infant, they'll expect the same during childhood and onto adulthood.
just like co workers, if you hire a good employee, they'll work and motivate themselves. if you kenna shitty people, no matter how you motivate them, they can only work when you're around or when they feel your "eyes"
Originally posted by jojobeach:Material wise, perhaps.
But I don't think they are happier than our era.
During my time as a kid, we had more space to run about, our home works r not as difficult. We had more time to play.
More friends to play with because our parents are less uptight about safety.
Nowadays where kids play that's free ? Go every where must pay money !
I look at what kids had to learn at school... I shudder n feel glad I was born much earlier.
I don't think I ran around that much, so open spaces don't really mean much to me. besides my old neighbourhood haven't changed so space isn't an issue...(infact I think it's more spacious now with 2 blocks less)
but back then, somehow even the black and white cupboard tv seem so interesting with only 2-3 channels and the lack of color never seem to bother anyone....... nowadays I can't enjoy the shows even with a personal TV set in my room
when we had a game console, games were meant to be played together at one person's house.
when things are rare, people tend to treasure them more.
I used to hang out with malay kids at void decks, you can still do that and it's still free. But parents must learn to let go.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Genetics or parenting style, no one can control the outcome.
We can only try our best.
Example.. In a family of 5,, each child will behave differently.
Even the best parents may produce criminal, or professors , or plain o joe.
I think it had a lot to do with environmental factor.
Kids in Singapore live in a much higher stress environment. It's no wonder they tend to act out.
I beg to differ, from what I noticed, families with strong family ties tend not to have children turning out poorly.
excluding some where they really are hopeless in studying, when kids have a stronger family back ground the eldest would help the next one and so on.whether it's advice on handling situations to homework.
the ones less academically inclined ones can improve this way and while you may not get professors this way, at least chances of getting criminals are much lower.
you would think about your family and not make choices that would hurt them.
Originally posted by jojobeach:U r quite the nag dude. Go read some romance novel lah, I don't think they r R-rated. Maybe P-G .
Have you read what you posted here? You are the nag not me.
Besides you are in the wrong forum. This stuff should be debated in Chit Chat or Sg Life in A Dot, Not Aunt Agony.
Its like talking about changing dipers in the football forum.
Originally posted by Bikeforceful:The asumption of some people here is that corporal punishment is administered brutally without any couselling or thought given to the type of misdeed or the age of the child or the particular personality make up of each child. True enough every child is different in some way. When you ask any teacher publicly what they think of corporal punishment , chances are he or she will toe the official line to say: ” oh it’s to be done according to process and minimally etc etc . ” But the realities in quite a few schools are that , the students get really out of hand where their discipline is concerned.” A teacher told me: “You can do just so much , depending on the type of school, whether you get the support of the school admin as well as coperation from the parents of the child.” She added: ” when a child is really disruptive in class because he is used to having his own way at home, these days ,you can’t tell the parent , your child is really disruptive because, he is bloody talkative and doesn’t pay attention to lessons.” If you do that, the parent becomes defensive and say you are a lousy teacher who cannot sustain her child’s interest in the classroom! SO you got to first tell the parent , how wonderful the child is – such a alert and intelligent child etc etc exccept that he may have a bit of attention deficiency issue which needs to be addressed. Oh and these days you cannot “shame the child publicly ” even if she or she steals from classmates or engages in school vandalism!” So the child doesn’t learn what shame is! And grows up having absolutely no qualms about doing whatever is wrong!
I think u should go read up child psychology book.
Information based on hundreds if not thousands of clinical studies is better than reading your baseless ranting.
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:I don't think I ran around that much, so open spaces don't really mean much to me. besides my old neighbourhood haven't changed so space isn't an issue...(infact I think it's more spacious now with 2 blocks less)
but back then, somehow even the black and white cupboard tv seem so interesting with only 2-3 channels and the lack of color never seem to bother anyone....... nowadays I can't enjoy the shows even with a personal TV set in my room
when we had a game console, games were meant to be played together at one person's house.
when things are rare, people tend to treasure them more.
I used to hang out with malay kids at void decks, you can still do that and it's still free. But parents must learn to let go.
Huh.. Oh ok.. So I guess the solution to eradicating brats is finally found.
Why don't u write a book about your life so every parents should buy one and read to their kids during bedtime ? The story of the perfect kid n his perfect parents. U will be legend !!
Next time u got kids already then come here talk big lah.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Huh.. Oh ok.. So I guess the solution to eradicating brats is finally found.
Why don't u write a book about your life so every parents should buy one and read to their kids during bedtime ? The story of the perfect kid n his perfect parents. U will be legend !!
Next time u got kids already then come here talk big lah.
Originally posted by Bikeforceful:
we have all agreed you are the one ranting and any opinion that differs from your own must of course be baseless. what a brat! grow up girl!
We? Who are the "we" ? U n old bread ? Right.
Go huddle together in that little well and be happy forever.
The universe will not seek to understand that puny mind of yours, you hav to understand the Universe.
Ok? Good.
Originally posted by jojobeach:We? Who are the "we" ? U n old bread ? Right.
Go huddle together in that little well and be happy forever.
The universe will not seek to understand that puny mind of yours, you hav to understand the Universe.
Ok? Good.
Originally posted by Bikeforceful:
Walaueh! if I go a daughter like you sure I thrash left right and centre and then after that send you off to boarding school under the Camelite nuns! Budak nakal , kurang ajar , chekek darah sia!
Tsk Tsk Tsk...Go find a wife who is willing to give u offspring first lah.
Haven't even start, and u are exhibiting abusive tendencies... Haiz...whoever ur child is in the future also sibeh suay..
I tell u what lah... Since life is so unpredictable, I highly recommend u get a vasectomy early to prevent future family tragedy.
No sperm, then no children. One less story on tabloid, the world will be a better place. Thank u in advance.
Originally posted by Bikeforceful:
we have all agreed you are the one ranting and any opinion that differs from your own must of course be baseless. what a brat! grow up girl!
I think she's just unhappy with her life, people do that.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Huh.. Oh ok.. So I guess the solution to eradicating brats is finally found.
Why don't u write a book about your life so every parents should buy one and read to their kids during bedtime ? The story of the perfect kid n his perfect parents. U will be legend !!
Next time u got kids already then come here talk big lah.
if you agree you can always help by providing funds and finding a publisher.
if you're being sacastic, it reflects badly on your upbringing you know, it's like everytime you post something you're trying to prove to us you hate your own parents and the way they brought you up. And I'm not even talking about this thread only.
and ever wondered? if people read how negative you are here and wonder what happens to you offline? life not furfilling enough?
ever been to work? notice how there're always that special group of people who are always bitching about something even when they can choose to be happy?
in case you haven't realised, this is aunt agony, you can either post under your own name, or if you're embarassed there's always the usual way out.
register a new nick and start another thread.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Tsk Tsk Tsk...Go find a wife who is willing to give u offspring first lah.
Haven't even start, and u are exhibiting abusive tendencies... Haiz...whoever ur child is in the future also sibeh suay..
I tell u what lah... Since life is so unpredictable, I highly recommend u get a vasectomy early to prevent future family tragedy.
No sperm, then no children. One less story on tabloid, the world will be a better place. Thank u in advance.
if you didn't provoke him/her, you wouldn't get this kind of reaction.
are you plain dumb or just ill mannered?
do you behave like this offline too? or it's really like I guessed? too many troubles? parents neglected you as a child?
and if you're already a mother, for god's sake lol what do you think your kid would think of you with the way you reply?
agree with you?
"yeah mum, let them feel the fury of your words!"
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:if you agree you can always help by providing funds and finding a publisher.
if you're being sacastic, it reflects badly on your upbringing you know, it's like everytime you post something you're trying to prove to us you hate your own parents and the way they brought you up. And I'm not even talking about this thread only.
and ever wondered? if people read how negative you are here and wonder what happens to you offline? life not furfilling enough?
ever been to work? notice how there're always that special group of people who are always bitching about something even when they can choose to be happy?
in case you haven't realised, this is aunt agony, you can either post under your own name, or if you're embarassed there's always the usual way out.
register a new nick and start another thread.
Yawwnnzzzz... Are you done yet?
And all these bitching about brats are good for society I suppose ?
Sure... Go... Ahead... You n bike boy want to beat up your child in public when they misbehave, that's your personal choice lah...I ain't gonna stop you. Likely your wife is gonna rip out your balls first before u hav a chance to do so lah.
Me negative ? No leh... U think too much lah dude.
U don't think thread starter is negative ? His constant bitching about brats. His aggressive tendencies to beat up children.. Yet u choose to ignore n encourage his negativity....how sickening indeed ! Oh that's right, it's the "brotherhood"thang, yes?
I simply do not agree with u guys, n look what happened ? U guys don't seem to take disagreement well. Tender ego perhaps?
Change a new nick For what ? Lol !!
Originally posted by jojobeach:Yawwnnzzzz... Are you done yet?
And all these bitching about brats are good for society I suppose ?
Sure... Go... Ahead... You n bike boy want to beat up your child in public when they misbehave, that's your personal choice lah...I ain't gonna stop you. Likely your wife is gonna rip out your balls first before u hav a chance to do so lah.
Me negative ? No leh... U think too much lah dude.
U don't think thread starter is negative ? His constant bitching about brats. His aggressive tendencies to beat up children.. Yet u choose to ignore n encourage his negativity....how sickening indeed ! Oh that's right, it's the "brotherhood"thang, yes?
I simply do not agree with u guys, n look what happened ? U guys don't seem to take disagreement well. Tender ego perhaps?
Change a new nick For what ? Lol !!
Hey you. You are yawning.
Because you are posting in the wrong forum.
Why are you wasting your time nagging about an irrelevant issue?
People here talk about rship problems not about how to raise a brat or cane a brat.
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:if you didn't provoke him/her, you wouldn't get this kind of reaction.
are you plain dumb or just ill mannered?
do you behave like this offline too? or it's really like I guessed? too many troubles? parents neglected you as a child?
and if you're already a mother, for god's sake lol what do you think your kid would think of you with the way you reply?
agree with you?
"yeah mum, let them feel the fury of your words!"
Yah.. Right.. Bike boy is an animaaaal... The incredible hulk... He cannot control his RAGE !
Could it be he has anger management issue?
Yeah.. be careful he might be the next psycho pushing a crying child off a bus.
Like I said, it is wrong to hurt a defenseless kid, no matter what the circumstances is at the time. If u cannot tolerate, best is walk away.
As for you mr old bread, who exactly are u trying to impress here? And what are u trying to champion?
Have u any idea that there are many crazy people around, and all they need is one senseless approval or one tiny voice in their head, is sufficient for them to justify and execute the acts of horror?
Originally posted by speakoutfor:Hey you. You are yawning.
Because you are posting in the wrong forum.
Why are you wasting your time nagging about an irrelevant issue?
People here talk about rship problems not about how to raise a brat or cane a brat.
U r barking up the wrong tree dude.
Originally posted by jojobeach:U r barking up the wrong tree dude.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Yah.. Right.. Bike boy is an animaaaal... The incredible hulk... He cannot control his RAGE !
Could it be he has anger management issue?
Yeah.. be careful he might be the next psycho pushing a crying child off a bus.
Like I said, it is wrong to hurt a defenseless kid, no matter what the circumstances is at the time. If u cannot tolerate, best is walk away.
As for you mr old bread, who exactly are u trying to impress here? And what are u trying to champion?
Have u any idea that there are many crazy people around, and all they need is one senseless approval or one tiny voice in their head, is sufficient for them to justify and execute the acts of horror?
nope, he obviously doesn't, just because people reacted to being provoked doesn't mean they have anger management issues.
he calmed down and you continue provoking, even to the extend of this
"Yah.. Right.. Bike boy is an animaaaal... The incredible hulk... He cannot control his RAGE !"
isn't that retarded?
which is what I've kept asking, but no answer so far from you, are you retarded or just plain ill mannered?
walk away? bullshat, a brat is on the offensive, he/she will keep going til they realise they can be stop and society can be cruel. either I do it, or it's someone else. why be a coward and leave it to someone else?
that's the kind of people who's always pissed off and not do anything about it.
fark, if I see that kid who laugh at the crippled at taka again and he does the mimic thing one more time , it won't be a verbal warning next time.
fark lah, the mother probably need a smack herself for clapping.
wanna be a brat, do it at home. come out and I'll traumatise you.
I don't buy that defenseless crap, you don't wanna get wack don't do thing that'll get you into trouble. don't give me that civilised society crap either, that only applies to people who are civilised.
even though alex ong was wrong to push th old lady, the old lady obviously deserved it thinking nothing would happen to her and she can push her luck.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Yawwnnzzzz... Are you done yet?
And all these bitching about brats are good for society I suppose ?
Sure... Go... Ahead... You n bike boy want to beat up your child in public when they misbehave, that's your personal choice lah...I ain't gonna stop you. Likely your wife is gonna rip out your balls first before u hav a chance to do so lah.
Me negative ? No leh... U think too much lah dude.
U don't think thread starter is negative ? His constant bitching about brats. His aggressive tendencies to beat up children.. Yet u choose to ignore n encourage his negativity....how sickening indeed ! Oh that's right, it's the "brotherhood"thang, yes?
I simply do not agree with u guys, n look what happened ? U guys don't seem to take disagreement well. Tender ego perhaps?
Change a new nick For what ? Lol !!
if my child is going to misbahave and affect other people, and my wife actually thinks there's no need to discipline and were to go as far as to stop me by "ripping out my balls", that means she's a horrible mother and a lousy wife. if she's such a person she's not fit to have children in the first place.
and it's extremely unlikely I would marry someone like that.
and yes , the actual term is "discipline" not beat up your child. the aim is to set boundries and teach a moral lesson. but with your narrow negative thinking it's little wonder you cannot accept other ideas apart from your own.
you're not negative? then what? you were attempting the decorate the forum with your wonderful nick with every post?
the threadstarter is stating his/her concern regarding a negative issue, that and being negative just so happens to be 2 different things. In fact you can say that he's/she's trying to take positive steps to understand the issue before your issues started
and I have yet to find out whether he's/she's male or female, so your brotherhood claims don't apply as well.
well, and as for not being able to take the disagreement well, going back 6 pages apparently the disaggreement's all against you and not against sparing the rod. disagreement's with the rest have not produce the same results.
if we don't know better it's like you have a fetish to get people to shower attention on you .
and
"Yawwnnzzzz... Are you done yet?"
you're still here right? don't pretend to yawwnnzzzzz us and yet keep coming back for more. just admit you have issues and start your own thread. don't hijack this thread with your petty insults and name calling.
if you're worried about embarassment, go create a clone.
Originally posted by jojobeach:
As for you mr old bread, who exactly are u trying to impress here? And what are u trying to champion?
Have u any idea that there are many crazy people around, and all they need is one senseless approval or one tiny voice in their head, is sufficient for them to justify and execute the acts of horror?
well who ever I'm trying to impress, it ain't you, unless like I've said, you have a sick fetish for attention.
and last time I've checked this was and still is a public forum for people to share thoughts.
not impress or champion anything.(even if you can do so, but I'm not you, no fetish for attention here, even though you kept paying me so much it's not appreciated really)
and since there're so many crazy people , why can't parents keep their kids from provoking these people? don't blame crazy people, they don't know what they're doing.
if your kid's moronic enough to provoke them then maybe best we can do is present the darwin awards
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
well who ever I'm trying to impress, it ain't you, unless like I've said, you have a sick fetish for attention.
and last time I've checked this was and still is a public forum for people to share thoughts.
not impress or champion anything.(even if you can do so, but I'm not you, no fetish for attention here, even though you kept paying me so much it's not appreciated really)
and since there're so many crazy people , why can't parents keep their kids from provoking these people? don't blame crazy people, they don't know what they're doing.
if your kid's moronic enough to provoke them then maybe best we can do is present the darwin awards
Ugh no, that's y we lock up the crazies, not the kids. Ok? Good.
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:nope, he obviously doesn't, just because people reacted to being provoked doesn't mean they have anger management issues.
he calmed down and you continue provoking, even to the extend of this
"Yah.. Right.. Bike boy is an animaaaal... The incredible hulk... He cannot control his RAGE !"
isn't that retarded?
which is what I've kept asking, but no answer so far from you, are you retarded or just plain ill mannered?
walk away? bullshat, a brat is on the offensive, he/she will keep going til they realise they can be stop and society can be cruel. either I do it, or it's someone else. why be a coward and leave it to someone else?
that's the kind of people who's always pissed off and not do anything about it.
fark, if I see that kid who laugh at the crippled at taka again and he does the mimic thing one more time , it won't be a verbal warning next time.
fark lah, the mother probably need a smack herself for clapping.
wanna be a brat, do it at home. come out and I'll traumatise you.
I don't buy that defenseless crap, you don't wanna get wack don't do thing that'll get you into trouble. don't give me that civilised society crap either, that only applies to people who are civilised.
even though alex ong was wrong to push th old lady, the old lady obviously deserved it thinking nothing would happen to her and she can push her luck.
Lol ! Is bike boy your child ? Why are u trying so hard to defend him?
And you are now defending Alex ong ? Holy macaroni ! Why don't he go push the bus driver too ? The auntie cannot use mind power to stop the BUS. The driver decides where to stop the bus.
I watched the video, that auntie is small in stature, if it had been a big person, he wouldn't have dared.
That farker got bullied in NS by his officers, now he can only push small aunties, then claim insanity.
Something sick is going on in NS. If anything u guys should stop the vicious cycle. Yet all u pussies just wanna repeat history simply because u went through shit before, so why shouldnt anyone not have to go through the same ? Misery loves company , yes?
Look at Mah bow tan, he keep telling people he had to share a tiny 3 bedroom with 7-8 family members.. It was rough.. So what he do ? When he ruled HDB, He made it rough for others too.. Get the drift ?
Personally my parents werent easy on me when I was young, but I have no desire to exact the same level of thinking they did eons ago.
Old school thinking makes no sense to new generations, move on with the times !!