eh..my ah ma said one hor
Your ah ma know, then how come you exist?
You ask me? I ask who?
Sian, you are still a nun. Later going to your neighbour's pub to drink again.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Ah yes Gedanken.. I see the start to a great friendship between you and Aneslayer .
Aneslayer is very much like you isn't he. Very combative.. unyielding and here to prove how wrong the world is. A much tortured soul.
He'd make a good Protege or your doppleganger.
And Ofcors.. his side sort of stands up.. Easier to let a simple fool remain ignorant.. than try to educate one.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Just because you can't stand on your own two feet doesn't mean that Aneslayer needs to be my protege. Fact is that he's doing a fairly thorough job of making you look like a complete idiot, which really isn't much of an achievement given how much help you're providing.
As for being combatative and unyielding, well, your posts in this thread amongst others are damning proof of your shameless hypocrisy.
In any case, it's of no consequence. You're probably too rabid to recall, but while you take this place as life and death, while I'm just here for shits and giggles. You're providing great comedy here (especially with how you think your silly little percentages count for something, only to have Aneslayer provide you with a good dose of common sense), so do carry on.
Oh, almost forgot - I absolutely love how you mistake the simple rules of logic that Aneslayer has highlighted for being attempts at legal arguments. Hell, you're almost as funny as Karl Pilkington and I'm really curious - how hard do you have to work at coming off as such an ignoramus?
Originally posted by Gedanken:Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Just because you can't stand on your own two feet doesn't mean that Aneslayer needs to be my protege. Fact is that he's doing a fairly thorough job of making you look like a complete idiot, which really isn't much of an achievement given how much help you're providing.
As for being combatative and unyielding, well, your posts in this thread amongst others are damning proof of your shameless hypocrisy.
In any case, it's of no consequence. You're probably too rabid to recall, but while you take this place as life and death, while I'm just here for shits and giggles. You're providing great comedy here (especially with how you think your silly little percentages count for something, only to have Aneslayer provide you with a good dose of common sense), so do carry on.
Oh, almost forgot - I absolutely love how you mistake the simple rules of logic that Aneslayer has highlighted for being attempts at legal arguments. Hell, you're almost as funny as Karl Pilkington and I'm really curious - how hard do you have to work at coming off as such an ignoramus?
LOL. The vexation of a fool is known at once, but the prudent ignores an insult.
In your case.. the "Luwts" is appropriate. http://www.orgsites.com/sc/shine/Five_Types_of_Fools.pdf
Yup..It's just an observation, that Anes is much like you. So just enjoy each other's company , don't have to get so excited over my little comment.
And unlike you.. I don't need to work my ass off for my cushy life in the states.. so I got time to come here and post...
Please do yourself a favor.. go back to brown nosing your white bosses and white wife.. whenever they are not happy.. you'd be here venting your anger and bitterness again. We really dread it lah... OK ? Good.
Originally posted by alize:You are right that plant cells (like bacteria and all other cells) can divide, produce food, and are alive. Just like a fetus; a developing fetus is a simpler lifeform than many plants and animals, at some stages simpler than algae.
While my toes are not sapient, you may not cut them off because they are useful to me. What use is the life that TS will provide to TS' would-be child?
The fetus is not even sentient yet and is not in a position to suffer loss. Animal cruelty laws prevent us from inflicting pain, because as sentients they feel pain. They provide for their humane killing as pests, because they are not sapient or not as sapient. Yet more advanced than many fetuses.
In the second instance, as a mother you should consider your ability to be useful to your baby and not the other way around.
You are forgetting, when a parent live vicariously through her own child. this child can provide joy and unconditional love far greater than a man can give.
If TS is indeed HIV positive.. this is perhaps her only chance of pregnancy. If she aborts this one.. she may never have one again. Which man will want her ? Perhaps if she can find another HIV positive guy.. how likely is that in Asia ?
A woman is instinctively protective of her child the moment she realise her pregnancy. Her body kicks into defensive mode, all her senses heightens.. hence the "morning sickness". Rapid changes to her physical form begins at point of conception.
If that fetus is indeed just a piece of extra flesh, she will have no qualms in removing it.. like a piece of fibroid ( which is very common in a woman's womb), however..a woman experience much distress/dilemma when forced to make a choice to destroy her child, going against her natural instinct.
While we humans are finding ways to live a longer, healthier life through medical research and breakthroughs... why are we also/ at the same time seeking ways to nullify a child's right to life.. so we can kill/end it without remorse ?
Failing the sentience/personhood test does not means the fetus/embryo/zygot is not deserving of protection or the priviledge to continue life.
So really.. lets call spade a spade.. pro-choice is truthfully.. Pro-death.
As for Animal cruelty law, it really depends on which philosopher you ascribe to...Rousseau/Bentham.. who believes in natural law.. and/or the ability to suffer.
Personally.. I prefer Emmanuel/Locke ...who opposes the idea that human beings have duties to non-humans.. we do eat them afterall..steal their milk.. take away their youngs for our own enjoyment.
"cruelty to animals is contrary to man's duty to himself, because it deadens in him the feeling of sympathy for their sufferings, and thus a natural tendency that is very useful to morality in relation to other humans is weakened."- Kant.
If you see a man torment an animal.. you feel anger towards that man.. to see such vileness in a human. Will you want to be his friend ? No. So cruelty to animal is bad for humankind.
"In the second instance, as a mother you should consider your ability to be useful to your baby and not the other way around."
..a mother is always useful to the child.. to ensure they survive .. how is that not mutally benefitting ? how do you think human beings are not extinct by stone age ? They don't have diapers, no artificial milk, no advance medical facilities.. nor internet. Right ?
Originally posted by angel7030:what rates???, eat lots of pineapple, sure baby come out one..
i mean is the rate of abortion in spore very high?
Let this be a lesson, next time you should be more careful in your relationships........
As to the baby........I have no suggestion because it is a complicated issue.....the best option is to talk to those counsillors and maybe you can think clearer about what you want to do.
Originally posted by likeyou:
i mean is the rate of abortion in spore very high?
According to this statistic , reported abortion 12,222 in 2008 vs 39935 live births.
(Not including un-reported abortions done across the immigration checkpoints.)
Sum of 574,350 citizens aborted. from year 1970-2008. Number of medical related abortions unknown.
If only we are able to keep those babies.. we wouldn't need to import so many foreigners.
Originally posted by jojobeach:According to this statistic , reported abortion 12,222 in 2008 vs 39935 live births.
(Not including un-reported abortions done across the immigration checkpoints.)
Sum of 574,350 citizens aborted. from year 1970-2008. Number of medical related abortions unknown.
If only we are able to keep those babies.. we wouldn't need to import so many foreigners.
thanks.
and many couples cannot have babies and yet so many of them go for abortions.
why not give birth and the couples pay everything and let the baby give it to them. All expenses paid.
Originally posted by likeyou:thanks.
and many couples cannot have babies and yet so many of them go for abortions.
why not give birth and the couples pay everything and let the baby give it to them. All expenses paid.
That's how it's done actually... at least in the USA.
The adoptive parents provide financial assistance to the mothers. Rent, utilities, food, transportation and cost of pre-natal care...birth .. some even include after birth care...
Originally posted by jojobeach:LOL. The vexation of a fool is known at once, but the prudent ignores an insult.
In your case.. the "Luwts" is appropriate. http://www.orgsites.com/sc/shine/Five_Types_of_Fools.pdf
Yup..It's just an observation, that Anes is much like you. So just enjoy each other's company , don't have to get so excited over my little comment.
And unlike you.. I don't need to work my ass off for my cushy life in the states.. so I got time to come here and post...
Please do yourself a favor.. go back to brown nosing your white bosses and white wife.. whenever they are not happy.. you'd be here venting your anger and bitterness again. We really dread it lah... OK ? Good.
Being as original and thought-provoking as denture-cleaner instructions, please rest assured that you need not be concerned about your hysterical rants eliciting any excitement. Amusement, regularly. Bemusement, occasionally. Dismay, virtually assured. But not excitement by any stretch of the imagination.
And rest assured, there’s no mistaking your vexation (to put it mildly) throughout this entire thread, so your confession is appreciated but entirely unnecessary.
As for anger and bitterness, well, a quick perusal of this thread once again highlights your hypocrisy.
EDIT: Oh, I just realised I missed that point about your claimed life in the States. No need to point that out - I already know you have no contribution to make to society. Why else would you be as silly as to come into an Agony Aunt forum and spend hours creating agony?
For the record, I was being sarcastic to Gedanken... Jojo must have been mental to think there's any kind collaboration...
::: Keeps a distance from her 新仇旧� :::
Back on topic, found out certain curious issues... Singapore adoption agencies "import" FT for adoption as well.... And they cater for foreigners as well... but orphanages have plenty to go around...
Economics 101, demand is always driving supply...
Originally posted by jojobeach:That's how it's done actually... at least in the USA.
The adoptive parents provide financial assistance to the mothers. Rent, utilities, food, transportation and cost of pre-natal care...birth .. some even include after birth care...
Shouldnt the govt thing about this good suggestions? At least our true local blood babies are born here instead of asking foreign talent to make up the number.
Alias, who going to listen to us? Nobody lah! Govt or pap wont listen for listening to us means they are not working lah.
Originally posted by likeyou:Shouldnt the govt thing about this good suggestions? At least our true local blood babies are born here instead of asking foreign talent to make up the number.
Alias, who going to listen to us? Nobody lah! Govt or pap wont listen for listening to us means they are not working lah.
How did it become a agenda for anti government chants?... The manpower issue is a birth rate issue, never an abortion issue.
If you would check the US statistics on abortions, you would see a drop in abortion AFTER legalising abortion. (Link here)(If it interest you, read up on Roe vs Wade)
(The court found that a mother had a right to abortion until viability, a point to be determined by the abortion doctor. After viability a woman can obtain an abortion for health reasons, which the Court defined broadly to include psychological well-being.)- quoted wiki in parenthesis.
Just for thoughts, picture how unsafe illegal abortion clinics would be without government regualtion....
Imagine the government operating an unwanted baby drop box, outlawing adoption, running a school where these orphans are brainwashed, and giving a cash award to prolific mothers and adoptive parents.
Nah, too expensive for them.
Originally posted by Aneslayer:How did it become a agenda for anti government chants?... The manpower issue is a birth rate issue, never an abortion issue.
If you would check the US statistics on abortions, you would see a drop in abortion AFTER legalising abortion. (Link here)(If it interest you, read up on Roe vs Wade)
(The court found that a mother had a right to abortion until viability, a point to be determined by the abortion doctor. After viability a woman can obtain an abortion for health reasons, which the Court defined broadly to include psychological well-being.)- quoted wiki in parenthesis.
Just for thoughts, picture how unsafe illegal abortion clinics would be without government regualtion....
Illegal clinics are safer because people like Jojo shoot up the legal ones.
Originally posted by alize:Imagine the government operating an unwanted baby drop box, outlawing adoption, running a school where these orphans are brainwashed, and giving a cash award to prolific mothers and adoptive parents.
Nah, too expensive for them.
I was actually asking to picture the past when abortion was illegal...
Singapore should never encorage your suggested welfare as it'll be encouraging social ills. However, don't you think the education system, the media already act as brainwashing tools as it is currently? The same tactics used by PRC, even in the interwebs... We need clear thinking people, not zombie sheeps.
Originally posted by Aneslayer:I was actually asking to picture the past when abortion was illegal...
Singapore should never encorage your suggested welfare as it'll be encouraging social ills. However, don't you think the education system, the media already act as brainwashing tools as it is currently? The same tactics used by PRC, even in the interwebs... We need clear thinking people, not zombie sheeps.
Only trying to evoke the Nazi's twisted baby policy.
I don't think the system incentivizes promiscuity because pregnancy and birth are powerful disincentives.
Glorification of the prolific mother (for the state's economic ends at that) and castigation of singles and small families is the greater social ill.
For any policy there will always be takers, especially if the incentive is a 6 room flat. Some bow-legged ever-smiling bitch will take it so her division commander husband can play division commander at home, dress them in matching shirts and make his parents so happy.
Originally posted by Gedanken:Being as original and thought-provoking as denture-cleaner instructions, please rest assured that you need not be concerned about your hysterical rants eliciting any excitement. Amusement, regularly. Bemusement, occasionally. Dismay, virtually assured. But not excitement by any stretch of the imagination.
And rest assured, there’s no mistaking your vexation (to put it mildly) throughout this entire thread, so your confession is appreciated but entirely unnecessary.
As for anger and bitterness, well, a quick perusal of this thread once again highlights your hypocrisy.EDIT: Oh, I just realised I missed that point about your claimed life in the States. No need to point that out - I already know you have no contribution to make to society. Why else would you be as silly as to come into an Agony Aunt forum and spend hours creating agony?
What's the matter Ged .. life must be shitty for you in Australia ? After so many years... you are still child-less ? Maybe it's time you look at yourself in the mirror, there's the problem right there.
Now please.. if you don't mind.. go away.
Originally posted by Aneslayer:How did it become a agenda for anti government chants?... The manpower issue is a birth rate issue, never an abortion issue.
If you would check the US statistics on abortions, you would see a drop in abortion AFTER legalising abortion. (Link here)(If it interest you, read up on Roe vs Wade)
(The court found that a mother had a right to abortion until viability, a point to be determined by the abortion doctor. After viability a woman can obtain an abortion for health reasons, which the Court defined broadly to include psychological well-being.)- quoted wiki in parenthesis.
Just for thoughts, picture how unsafe illegal abortion clinics would be without government regualtion....
Not anti-government chant lah...
If you ignore the number of abortions ..yet focus only on increasing birth rates...
It's akin to drawing water with a leaking bucket.
Make Singapore more family friendly and condusive for youngsters to start a family.. AND try to plug the loss due to abortions.
There are still plenty of illegal abortions in the USA... their practices are shoddy, unsanitary.. and God knows how many teenagers they've damaged.
USA is all about their Constitution. Anything remotely un-constitutional is swiftly struck down.
Religion plays a very heavy role ...Roman Catholics and Christianity are all Pro-Life...even if the Courts agree to it.. Religiously, abortion is widely forbidden.
ADD: On top of religious obligations.. the advancement of Paternity Tests, Paternity laws and child support enforcements helps ensure women no longer have to face out of wedlock pregnancy alone and stripped of resources.
Even Steve Jobs tried to deny his first child.. to the extend he declared to be sterile in court papers... until paternity tests proved he is indeed the child's father. After which he did establish a relationship and sent her to Havard.
Originally posted by alize:Only trying to evoke the Nazi's twisted baby policy.
I don't think the system incentivizes promiscuity because pregnancy and birth are powerful disincentives.
Glorification of the prolific mother (for the state's economic ends at that) and castigation of singles and small families is the greater social ill.
For any policy there will always be takers, especially if the incentive is a 6 room flat. Some bow-legged ever-smiling bitch will take it so her husband can play division commander at home, dress them in matching shirts and make his parents so happy.
I think our education system needs to play a bolder role in sexuality education in preventing teenage pregnancy and HIV infections.
Parents are too unreliable to teach, threatening their own children is not teaching. (due to limited teaching resources/materials ? or simply too lazy ?)
In my mommy support group.. there's quite a few single mothers who are doing well in raising their own child... we also have some who are single with adopted children ( unable to have a child.. or fear of transmitting their genetic defects ).
Single motherhood is not a social ill... it's time we give them a break.
The real problem in Asia is, fathers refusing to take care/provide resources for their children.
Oh God. Lionnoisy just died and got reincarnated a mother.
Originally posted by alize:Oh God. Lionnoisy just died and got reincarnated a mother.
LOL.. Lionnoisy ? Yeah what happen to that kid ? He was quite the antagonist while he lasted.
ADD: On top of religious obligations.. the advancement of Paternity Tests, Paternity laws and child support enforcements helps ensure women no longer have to face out of wedlock pregnancy alone while stripped/denied of resources.
Even Steve Jobs tried to deny his first child.. to the extend he declared to be sterile in court papers... until paternity tests proved he is indeed the child's father. After which he did establish a relationship and sent her to Havard.